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1 Monday, 22nd November 2004

2 (9.35 am)

3 Closing submissions by MR CLARKE

4 MR CLARKE: When I began my opening in this hall on

5 27th March 2000 I said that the task of the Tribunal was

6 to try to discover, so far as it is now humanly possible

7 so to do, the truth of what occurred on Bloody Sunday,

8 however complex, painful or unacceptable to whomsoever

9 that truth might be.

10 The reach and extent of that exercise has been very

11 great. The Tribunal has sat, since March 2000 for 432

12 days, both here and in London. The Tribunal has heard

13 oral evidence over 366 days; 921 witnesses have given

14 evidence orally; the evidence of another 1,555 witnesses

15 has been read. The oral evidence has been heard and in

16 all but some 42 cases, seen by the public. Almost all,

17 but not quite all of those witnesses have given evidence

18 without the need to issue a subpoena. In only, I think,

19 one case has a witness had to be asked to leave the

20 proceedings because of his behaviour.

21 The witnesses called to give oral evidence have come

22 from many quarters. 506 of them were civilians, seven

23 were priests, 49 were representatives of the media,

24 including photographers, 245 were military witnesses,

25 nine were experts and forensic scientists, 39 were


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1 politicians, civil servants or intelligence officers, 33

2 came from the RUC, 33 were former paramilitaries.

3 The Tribunal has amassed a large archive of

4 documents, greater, I believe, than that possessed by

5 any other source or combination of sources in relation

6 to the events of the day.

7 The Tribunal has examined so large a quantity of

8 material and heard or received evidence from so many

9 witnesses for one sole reason, that it has judged it

10 necessary to do so in order to fulfil the duty which

11 Parliament entrusted to it, of trying to discover the

12 truth of what happened on that day.

13 What happened on that day was, and has remained,

14 controversial in almost every respect. What led up to

15 the day, almost equally so. The critical events were

16 witnessed by a very large body of people, both civil and

17 military. Many gave contemporaneous accounts, others

18 did not. Over the years thereafter a sizeable quantity

19 of accounts has been given by civilians and soldiers

20 alike, sometimes casting new light on what happened,

21 sometimes casting doubt as to the accuracy of previous

22 accounts.

23 The fulfillment of the Tribunal's duty of due

24 inquiry required the proper consideration of whatever

25 might reasonably be regarded as advancing the search for


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1 the truth. Counsel for the Inquiry have just delivered

2 their final submissions. These themselves extend to ten

3 volumes in addition to the 32 volumes submitted by the

4 interested parties.

5 As I indicated would be the case in June, these do

6 not purport to cover every piece of evidence, every

7 issue or every submission made by the interested

8 parties. They are intended as an aid to the Tribunal,

9 as a summary of or a reference to relevant evidence and

10 the rival considerations that may arise in respect of

11 core issues. They supplement the extremely extensive

12 submissions of the interested parties.

13 It would not be feasible or sensible to deliver

14 a form of oral executive summary of the totality of so

15 large a body of material. What I propose to do is to

16 give some indication of some of the salient parts of the

17 content of this material which all concerned will be

18 able to read for themselves, since they are now public

19 documents. I propose to do so without extensive

20 reference to the underlying documentation, both in the

21 interests of time and because the Tribunal and the

22 interested parties will be familiar with many of them.

23 It is as well, before I embark upon that exercise,

24 to stand back for a moment from the morass of material

25 and the myriad of issues that are before the Tribunal,


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1 in order to focus on the central question which brought

2 the Inquiry into being, which is: why and how did 13

3 people come to be killed and 14 to be wounded within

4 something like ten minutes on 30th January 1972 in this

5 city? That issue may no doubt be divided into two

6 sub-issues so far as the immediate circumstances

7 relating to each of those shot is concerned, namely, who

8 shot him or her and, secondly, was there any

9 justification for doing so.

10 The latter question can be broken down into

11 essentially five further questions. Who was the soldier

12 aiming at? Did he hit the person he intended to hit or

13 someone else? Was the person he intended to hit,

14 whether or not he in fact did so, doing anything which

15 justified him being shot? If not, did the firer

16 genuinely believe that he was? And, lastly, was that

17 belief based on any reasonable grounds?

18 In posing the questions in this way I have been

19 assuming that all 27 were shot by soldiers. I am aware

20 that in the case of Peggy Deery it is suggested that she

21 may not have been shot by a soldier and that it is

22 suggested Patsy McDaid was the victim of

23 a malfunctioning nail bomb. With the exception of those

24 cases it is not, as I understand it, and the Tribunal

25 may think could not seriously be suggested -- I shall


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1 come to the position of those two later -- that those

2 who died and were wounded were not shot by soldiers, and

3 also with the exception of Alexander Nash.

4 If that assumption is correct, it has to be said

5 that even after many days of evidence the answer to even

6 the first question, who shot them, is not, on the

7 soldiers' evidence, in any way clear. With the

8 exception of Damien Donaghy and John Johnston, who would

9 appear to have been shot by one or other of soldiers A

10 and B, of Michael Kelly who appears to have been shot by

11 Soldier F, of Gerard McKinney who was shot by Soldier G

12 and Gerard Donaghy was shot by Soldier G and

13 Kevin McElhinney, who appears to have been shot by one

14 or other of K, L or M, there is no clear indication from

15 the soldiers as to who shot whom.

16 It is material to consider what, if anything, is the

17 significance of what I have just said. One view that

18 the Tribunal might take is that this is something that

19 is not surprising if, as they say to be the case,

20 soldiers came under fire from unexpected quarters and

21 had swiftly to retaliate. In such a situation it may

22 not be possible to link a particular soldier with an

23 individual victim. Another view is that a party's

24 belief that the soldiers appear on one view to have hit

25 not one of the gunmen or nail bombers at whom they


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1 fired, or, if they did, to have shot 27 others in

2 addition.

3 In Sector 2 it appears that no-one can explain who

4 shot Jack Duddy in the middle of the car park or

5 Michael Bridge by his own, in a practically deserted car

6 park thereafter and Michael Bradley in front of the low

7 wall.

8 In Sector 3 no-one can explain who it was who shot

9 three people dead at the barricade.

10 In Sector 4 no-one can explain the deaths of

11 James Wray and William McKinney and the wounding of the

12 others, in terms that appear to bear any relationship to

13 who they were doing or the people at whom the Army say

14 they shot and that no-one chose to explain the deaths of

15 Gerard Donaghy and Gerard McKinney.

16 In Sector 5 no-one can explain all four deaths and

17 woundings.

18 These considerations may have a cumulative effect.

19 The Tribunal may attach some significance to the fact

20 that so much is unexplained, particularly in sectors 3,

21 4 and 5 into which the Anti-Tank Platoon fired. It

22 might conclude, taking that fact with all the other

23 evidence, that so much is unexplained because no

24 justifiable explanation could be given. On the other

25 hand it might take the view that uncomfortable facts


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1 have been airbrushed out of history and that the

2 situation the soldiers faced was radically different to

3 that of which the civilian evidence speaks.

4 I now turn to consider in more detail the issues

5 that arise in respect of the various sectors. I start

6 with the events before the day occurred. The Tribunal

7 will find in the first volume of our submissions,

8 entitled "Events Before The Day" a chronological summary

9 of events since July 1971 in Northern Ireland so far as

10 they relate to events in Derry, and in Derry itself. In

11 part this is an update of the opening in which that

12 exercise was performed on the material then available.

13 The submission carries that exercise forward with

14 references to the oral evidence that the Tribunal has

15 heard, the additional documents that have come in, and

16 the submissions of the parties. I propose to pick up

17 some of the points that are there referred to.

18 Sir Louis Blom-Cooper, Lord Gifford and others have

19 submitted that the ban on marches itself was unlawful,

20 upon the ground that Mr Faulkner's dominant reason for

21 introducing it was to further the collateral purpose of

22 fulfilling the conditions the British Government had

23 laid down for accepting internment, as well as being

24 a violation of Articles 10 and 11 of the Human Rights

25 Convention.


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1 I mention this as an example of an issue, which

2 although interesting and not unimportant is not of

3 immediate impact in relation to what happened on the

4 day. The march was, on its face, illegal. No-one had

5 taken steps by way of what would now be judicial review

6 to have the order banning marches quashed. Whether or

7 not it would have been quashed had all the facts been

8 known and an application made may be an open question.

9 Certainly it would have been resolved on evidence

10 different to that which the Tribunal has heard, which

11 would presumably have included evidence from Mr Faulkner

12 himself, that might have been to the effect that in his

13 view the conditions for the making of an order were met

14 and that so far as his discretion was concerned, he was

15 entitled to take into account that a refusal to make an

16 order would make it impossible for him to introduce

17 internment which, for lawful reasons, he judged

18 necessary. In any event, no such order would have been

19 made without hearing representations on his behalf. In

20 those circumstances, the Tribunal might wish to exercise

21 a degree of caution in expressing a conclusion on the

22 point, unless it takes the view that the question is not

23 an open one.

24 The Tribunal will recall from the summer 1971

25 onwards, the prospect existed, increasingly remote as


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1 time went by, of the Home Secretary's talks, that is to

2 say talks once order was restored involving

3 representatives of both sides of the Northern Ireland

4 Parliament, to see whether it was possible to devise

5 further means of giving representatives of the minority

6 an active and prominent role in the process of

7 Government and the administration of the province.

8 Those prospects became bleak, given the refusal of

9 the SDLP and nationalist parties to participate in those

10 discussions until internment was brought to an end, and

11 later that the Stormont system should itself end;

12 secondly Mr Faulkner's refusal to contemplate the

13 inclusion in his Government of anyone holding

14 a republican viewpoint over the constitution of

15 Northern Ireland.

16 The history of events in Derry thereafter is

17 recounted in our submissions and the submissions of

18 several of the interested parties, beginning with

19 Operation Huntsman on 18th August, to remove barriers.

20 The operation, in the course of which John Hume and

21 others were arrested after being ordered to disperse by

22 an Army officer, giving rise to the case of Regina V The

23 Londonderry Justices and in turn the Northern Ireland

24 Act, 1972.

25 Whether or not, had that case gone to the Court of


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1 Appeal and possibly the House of Lords, the ruling of

2 Lord Chief Justice Lowry would have been overturned is

3 again an open question. Had it been overturned, the law

4 in force on 30th January 1972 would have been whatever

5 the relevant appellant court held it to be. That

6 decision would have been for that court to take.

7 Despite the fact that all members of this Tribunal have

8 held or hold high judicial office, the Tribunal is

9 obviously not an appellant court and it may no doubt

10 wish to consider the extent to which it is necessary or

11 desirable for it to pronounce on what might be viewed,

12 in the events which have happened, as an academic

13 question. However, in the light of the position in the

14 Londonderry Justices, as it stands, the arrests on

15 30th January 1972 would, but for the retrospective

16 operation of the Northern Ireland Act, have been

17 unlawful.

18 20th August to 2nd December 1971 marked the

19 containment phase when the military profile was lowered

20 in Derry. During the autumn the security situation

21 deteriorated and on 7th October, when GEN 47 met in

22 London, Mr Heath expressed the view that the first

23 priority should be the defeat of the gunman, using

24 military means and that in achieving this we should have

25 to accept whatever political penalties were available.


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1 That meeting signalled a shift in policy priorities --

2 a tougher approach towards the gunman -- in part

3 influenced by a desire to keep Mr Faulkner in power and

4 to avoid direct rule and the need for that purpose to

5 satisfy him and the Protestant community that the

6 United Kingdom Government was not being too feeble with

7 gunmen.

8 The Tribunal will have noted from then onwards that

9 a number of themes run through the documents. One is

10 that the defeat of the gunman is the first priority.

11 Another is that a purely military situation was unlikely

12 to succeed. A third was that if there was progress in

13 the security front on the defeat of the gunmen, there

14 could, would or might be a window of opportunity for a

15 political initiative at a time when the gunmen were

16 demoralised and the Protestant community satisfied that

17 security was being brought under control, but before the

18 success of that exercise brought intransigence towards

19 reform.

20 So by the end of the year a possible political

21 initiative was in the air. Over the year end marches

22 took place on Christmas Day and 2nd January. On

23 6th January, the JSC agreed in principle with proposals

24 from the GOC for taking a more positive line in future

25 to prevent unauthorised marches from taking place and


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1 the GOC undertook to discuss the problems of the Strand

2 Traders with them on the spot in Derry.

3 As we know, it was in the event General Ford who

4 went to the city, after which he prepared the memorandum

5 that the Tribunal has considered at considerable length.

6 Might we have at this stage on the screen G48.300.

7 This memorandum we have seen many times. There are

8 of a number of issues that arise on it, of which most

9 important are what exactly were the conclusions to which

10 General Ford was coming and to what extent did the

11 thoughts in this memorandum get taken forward.

12 The relevant paragraphs begin at paragraph 6. The

13 Tribunal will judge for itself what it regards the words

14 of the memorandum as meaning and whether what was being

15 propounded as a possibility was a "shoot to kill"

16 policy. Since these paragraphs, from paragraphs 6 and

17 7, proceed on the basis that the contemplated policy

18 involved shooting selected ringleaders and recognised

19 both the devastating effects of a~7.62 millimetre bullet

20 and that to use it for that purpose risked killing more

21 than the person aimed at and that on that account less

22 lethal ammunition should be issued when ringleaders were

23 engaged and also accepts the possibility that .22 rounds

24 may be lethal. It seems difficult to escape the

25 conclusion that what was contemplated was that shots


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1 should be fired at ringleaders which would at the lowest

2 expose them to a high risk of death and probably kill at

3 least some of them. This is underscored by the fact

4 that soldiers are trained to shoot at the body mass,

5 they are not taught to shoot to wound.

6 The relevant paragraphs are, however, expressed

7 tentatively in the terms of "I am coming to the

8 conclusion ..." and "if this course is implemented ..."

9 They are expressed tentatively and the only

10 practical step reported was the despatch to 8th Brigade

11 of 30 adapted risks which were in Northern Ireland as

12 a result of proposals antedating Bloody Sunday for

13 providing troops with less devastating weapons.

14 INQ1900, who was the deputy assistant adjutant and

15 quartermaster general, believed that the rifles had been

16 retained at the ordinance pool in Lisburn, that some

17 were sent to 8th Brigade for zeroing and he knew, he

18 told the Tribunal, that none were ever used

19 operationally.

20 As to whether or not the ideas were taken forward,

21 there was some evidence from Colin Wallace of the

22 suggestion shooting ringleaders being a matter of

23 discussion, but Colonel Tugwell for one told the

24 Tribunal that he was not aware of the issue going the

25 rounds. The memorandum must presumably have been seen


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1 by and discussed with General Tuzo, although in 1998 he

2 told General Ford that he had no recollection of it. It

3 is possible that the memorandum incorporates "the

4 certain measures under discussion," of which Mr William

5 Stout, the Government securities advisor, is reported to

6 have supplied details to the Northern Ireland Cabinet on

7 11th January, but these may have been the measures that

8 were set out in an Army paper at 5th January, on dealing

9 with marches.

10 There is no evidence that senior officers in

11 Northern Ireland other than generals Tuzo and Ford saw

12 the memorandum and much evidence they did not, including

13 but not limited to, that of Messrs Kitson, Steele,

14 McClellan, Jackson and the commanding officers of the

15 Derry units.

16 Nor is there evidence that the memorandum reached

17 the Ministry of Defence. Indeed, General Ford's note,

18 written after Bloody Sunday, the reference of which is,

19 but we need turn it up, B1208.069, referred to his

20 having prepared a paper on the problem of containing the

21 situation on Bloody Sunday without shooting into the

22 crowd in the week preceding Bloody Sunday, with a view

23 to putting it to the MoD in the week of that note.

24 The MoD copy of the memorandum presently on the

25 screen came from the Widgery papers. Nor is there


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1 evidence that the memorandum reached any of the relevant

2 politicians or other Whitehall departments, nor is there

3 any evidence that the ideas inside it played any part in

4 the planning of Operation Forecast.

5 By the time of this memorandum, the Army was

6 beginning to make preparations for dealing with the

7 march, then expected to be on 16th. On Monday,

8 10th January, the Brigade Major produced a paper,

9 G49.302 on board, discussing how to deal with that

10 march, where the number of marchers was expected to be

11 much lower than was the case when it went ahead on -- on

12 30th January.

13 The Tribunal will recall that these plans

14 contemplated that the RUC would take the leading role

15 unless a threat from gunmen required the Army to be in

16 the front-line, that the troops who were to be involved

17 were to come with 8th Brigade, with two companies of the

18 province reserve to be held at Drumahoe and that it did

19 not make provision for a major arrest operation, as

20 opposed to the arrest of ringleaders.

21 The Madden & Finucane team, if I may call them that,

22 make a number of contentions in respect of General Ford,

23 including that he decided to stop the march, not for the

24 security of the city and its population, nor in order to

25 enforce law and order, but so as, and I quote:


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1 "To demonstrate that the Army was able to police the

2 ban on marches and that the Army was able to police

3 Derry regardless of the consequences."

4 Secondly, they submit the primary motivation for the

5 increased prominence of the military was to give HQ

6 Northern Ireland effective operational control over the

7 security operation so as to break the stalemate.

8 The Tribunal will need to take the view as to

9 whether this characterisation, which implies an

10 over-arching concern to demonstrate the capability of

11 the Army and to vest control in HQNI is apposite.

12 The first meeting of GEN 47 in the new year was on

13 11th January 1972. May we have on the screen G49B.308.

14 This is the meeting for which the Cabinet Secretary's

15 brief included a passage that appears at paragraph 9.

16 The reference seems to be defective. The passage is

17 well-known, it includes the phrase:

18 "... but if we are putting our money on

19 Mr Faulkner's survival, we cannot afford to expose him

20 indefinitely to the accusation that he is using kid

21 gloves to deal with the provocation and intimidation."

22 A number of interested parties have taken this as an

23 indication that a process of taking off the kid gloves

24 was beginning at this stage. The Tribunal may think

25 that this passage, whilst a useful source of metaphor,


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1 does not in fact indicate that some sea change, to use

2 another metaphor, has already taken place. The Tribunal

3 may think it important to look at the decisions made at

4 the meeting. Could we try G50.308:

5 "The notes of the discussion record that the

6 continuing attrition of the Provisional wing of the IRA

7 might provide an opportunity for the Official wing to

8 present their less violent policy as the more

9 productive."

10 It then goes on to say:

11 "The relatively low number of violent incidents

12 since Christmas gave rise to the question whether the

13 present level of violence in Belfast was as low as could

14 be reasonably expected there, short of a deliberate

15 decision by the IRA to reduce drastically or to call off

16 its campaign. If this was so, it gave additional point

17 to the desirability of a political initiative before on

18 the one hand the Official IRA increased their influence

19 among the Catholic population, or on the other hand

20 Protestant opinion hardened as a consequence of the

21 march mounted on 2nd January."

22 If we turn to the next page, in summing up the

23 discussion the Prime Minister is recorded as saying that

24 the:

25 "... relative quietness of the security situation in


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1 Belfast underlined the importance of the search for

2 a political initiative which the meeting would discuss

3 as the next item on its agenda. A military operation to

4 reimpose law and order in Londonderry might in time

5 become inevitable but should not be undertaken while

6 there still remained some prospect of a successful

7 political initiative."

8 The Tribunal may think the importance of this minute

9 lies in the fact that in January GEN 47 was

10 contemplating a political initiative before the IRA

11 increased their influence or Protestant opinion

12 hardened.

13 The Tribunal may think in those circumstances it

14 would have been particularly inadvisable to adopt

15 a course of action calculated to inflame Catholic

16 sensibilities or, to put it at the lowest, that if

17 GEN 47, with a view to preventing Protestant opinion

18 from hardening, was contemplating some action which

19 might have that effect, it would have carefully

20 considered the adverse, indeed potentially calamitous

21 consequences of doing so.

22 The recommendation to renew the ban was approved by

23 the Northern Ireland Cabinet on 18th January. On the

24 same day the Home Secretary circulated a memorandum.

25 Can we try G59C363.8, headed "Northern Ireland Policy


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1 for 1972," as had been presaged at the GEN 47 meeting on

2 11th January. In it he declared that it seemed to him

3 there were three alternatives and only three:

4 "One: to continue on present lines; two:to seek

5 other Catholic representatives with whom it would be

6 possible to negotiate a settlement; three:to devise

7 a solution of our own and ensure that it is carried out

8 by agreement, if possible, but if necessary by

9 directive.

10 May we go to page 363.11. He rejected the first two

11 of those. As to the third, he proposed a solution with

12 three elements. Firstly: reassurance about the border.

13 Secondly: a change of composition in Government and,

14 thirdly: a redefinition of its powers, including the

15 transfer of responsibility for law and order to the

16 United Kingdom Government and recommended trying to

17 proceed by agreement, but if that was impossible,

18 establishing an interim commission to govern in the

19 meantime.

20 On 19th January, G59.361, a policy instruction was

21 issued to all brigades -- 362 please -- concerning the

22 attitude to be taken by the RUC and the Army in respect

23 of breaches on the ban. The instruction, which stated

24 that it was essential that the prohibition be strictly

25 enforced, contemplated, amongst other things, warnings


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1 by the RUC to those involved and holding processions of

2 the prohibition and the penalties for holding them,

3 a detailed joint police/Army plan for dealing with

4 illegal processions, a demand to disperse forthwith to

5 be made when the parade formed up, police cordon to

6 block the path of the parade complete, powers of arrest

7 under the Public Order Act to be exercised if

8 practicable by the RUC, and arrests by the Army to be

9 made under Regulation 11 of the Special Powers Act.

10 It is for the Tribunal to say whether that

11 represented, as Lord Gifford submits "a united and

12 ruthless policy to enforce the ban and the taking off of

13 the kid gloves." The Tribunal may think, in the light

14 of the policy decision that had been now taken by the

15 Northern Ireland Government, that marches should

16 continue to be banned and that the ban should continue

17 to be enforced. It was in practical terms scarcely

18 a realistic option for the Army to suggest that the

19 march on 30th January should run its full course to the

20 Guildhall.

21 Saturday 22nd January witnessed the march to

22 Magilligan. The Tribunal is not required to determine

23 the rights and wrongs of Magilligan and it is a matter

24 for it to what extent it wishes to make any observations

25 or findings on what happened and whether it thinks it


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1 has sufficient material so to do. It may think at the

2 lowest the events form an important part of the

3 background, not least because what people thought had or

4 appeared to have happened at Magilligan on 22nd January

5 may have influenced their action in respect of the

6 following Sunday. Madden & Finucane submit that what

7 happened on the day demonstrated the brutality of 1 Para

8 and that either despite evidence of that brutality or

9 because of it, they were selected as the brigade arrest

10 force.

11 In the nature of things the Tribunal has not heard

12 from all or even a majority of those who would have

13 relevant evidence to give about the events of the day.

14 That said, there is a considerable body of evidence, not

15 limited to civilians, of soldiers using excessive or

16 reckless force, references to which are included in our

17 submission.

18 On Sunday, 23rd January, Mr Lynch visited Sir Edward

19 Heath and Mr Robert Armstrong at the Residence of the

20 United Kingdom ambassador to the European community

21 sir Edward being there to sign the treaty of accession,

22 during the course of which Mr Lynch expressed the view

23 that now might be appropriate for some political

24 initiative.

25 As the Tribunal knows, Monday 24th was the day on


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1 which a number of important events happened. Firstly,

2 Chief Superintendent Lagan and his deputy,

3 Superintendent McCullagh, had their discussion with

4 Brigadier McClellan as to how to handle the march. What

5 Mr Lagan's views were is not in dispute. He will be the

6 wisest course would be to allow the marchers to continue

7 to the Guildhall Square, to identify them by taking

8 photographs and to initiate prosecutions later.

9 The disputed issue is whether Brigadier McClellan

10 either agreed or appeared to agree with this view.

11 The relevant evidence is set out in our submissions

12 and in the submissions of others. In endeavouring to

13 resolve this conflict the Tribunal will no doubt take

14 into account the evidence given to Lord Widgery in 1972

15 and in Brigadier McClellan's letter 15th March 1972,

16 written after Mr Lagan had given evidence which itself

17 was after Brigadier McClellan had done so. Secondly,

18 the written evidence to this Inquiry of

19 Brigadier McClellan and Chief Superintendent Lagan and

20 the Tribunal's assessment of Brigadier McClellan's oral

21 testimony, including his statement that Mr Lagan's

22 proposal for identifying rioters and prosecuting them

23 later was pie in the sky and that his starting position

24 was the fact that the march would have to be stopped.

25 Thirdly, the fact that the ban had only recently been


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1 extended, that the Commander of Land Forces had directed

2 that it be strictly enforced and that Brigadier

3 McClellan's outline plan for 16th January had provided

4 for the stopping of the march.

5 Fourthly, the analysis made in paragraphs 11.2, 14

6 and following of Madden & Finucane's submissions in

7 support of their contention that Brigadier McClellan

8 lied to the Inquiry in several respects. Fifthly, the

9 possibility that Chief Superintendent Lagan and

10 Superintendent McCullagh mistook on absence of express

11 disagreement for agreement on Brigadier McClellan's part

12 or that Brigadier McClellan's recollection of expressing

13 disagreement or what amounted to disagreement or even of

14 holding strong opposing views on 24th January was

15 faulty. Lastly, the fact that the signal sent that

16 evening contained no indication of dissent from, nor

17 indeed support of, Mr Lagan's proposal.

18 On 25th January, according to the written evidence

19 given, Observer B visited Derry and, according to him,

20 saw a group of about 40 people whom he took to be what

21 he described as IRA auxiliaries drilling in the entrance

22 to Glenfada Park, march across Rossville Street, enter

23 the Rossville Flats, split up and spread along the three

24 landings of Block 2. At first, so he says, they stood

25 on the inside edge of the balconies close to and with


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1 their backs to the door of the flat and on a command

2 moved forward to the outside edge, keeping just to the

3 left of the columns so Observer B thought they would be

4 obscured from sight from anyone looking at the walls.

5 According to his evidence he telephoned IO1, an

6 intelligence officer now deceased, that evening, to

7 describe what he had seen, saying "I think you have got

8 a problem on Sunday".

9 He also said that on Thursday the 27th he saw the

10 men drilling again and was told by someone that they had

11 been at it every day this week. The Tribunal has seen

12 no record of these reports by Observer B to IO1. There

13 is a record. It is at KM10.5, of a meeting between the

14 two of them on Thursday, 27th when Observer B was paid

15 10 expenses.

16 Observer B died before his evidence could be heard

17 and the Tribunal has thus been deprived of any ability

18 to assess the credibility of his testimony by reference

19 to his demeanour and his response to questioning. M&F

20 have submitted that the account that he gave of what

21 happened before the day is inherently absurd, involving

22 as it does drilling in full view of the observers at the

23 Embassy Ballroom or on the walls and that his

24 credibility is seriously impaired by the fact at

25 paragraph 17 of his statement to the Tribunal he claims


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1 to have spoken to two men on 31st January who said they

2 had seen men run from the Rossville Flats and throw two

3 Thompsons, a rifle and a pistol into a Ford Cortina at

4 Free Derry Corner and drive off, which information he

5 reported to IO1 soon afterwards. There is no record of

6 such a report to IO1. There are, however, a number of

7 records of Observer B's information being that weapons

8 were being distributed behind the flats from a car, not

9 put into one.

10 In a telephone conversation of the same evening, the

11 25th, General Ford ordered Brigadier McClellan to submit

12 to him by 0830 by Wednesday, 26th, a plan to stop the

13 march before it reached the Guildhall. His note of the

14 telephone conversation shows that there was to be

15 a cordon, manned by soldiers, of the approaches to the

16 Bogside and the Creggan, the brigades were to be covered

17 by snipers with blocks of riot gunners to fire volleys.

18 General Ford told Brigadier McClellan that he would have

19 allotted to him as reinforcements, amongst others, the

20 1st battalion of the Parachute Regiment. It is not in

21 dispute that the decision there should be an arrest

22 operation in certain circumstances and to allot 1 Para

23 to Brigadier McClellan as an arrest force, was made by

24 General Ford.

25 By now, according to his evidence, he had come to


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1 the conclusion that the time had come to step up the

2 pressure against the hooligans when occasion arose and

3 had reached the view that this march might provide such

4 an opportunity, since there would be a large number of

5 troops in the city who could hopefully take out a large

6 number of hooligans and thereby prevent the serious

7 damage that he thought might ensue that day if this was

8 not done.

9 The note indicates that General Ford saw 1 Para in

10 reserve in the city to "counterattack" ie to go round

11 the back to arrest 300 to 400 rioters. It is clear from

12 this, as his evidence confirms, that it was

13 General Ford's decision to use 1 Para as an arrest force

14 and that he was contemplating an arrest operation of

15 considerable magnitude. Over the rest of the week it

16 became, however, apparent that arresting that number was

17 likely to be an unachievable aim.

18 The Tribunal will recall that General Ford told

19 Lord Widgery and this Tribunal that his concern had been

20 that there might be emotional speeches which would

21 incite a proportion of the crowd, who or some of whom

22 would pour down to join the hooligans and carry on

23 rioting and put the safety of the commercial area at

24 risk, and that for that reason, if opportunity occurred,

25 he thought that advantage should be taken of the


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1 concentration of troops to arrest as many hooligans as

2 possible.

3 An important question for the Tribunal is whether

4 this was an apprehension genuinely held and whether

5 General Ford was motivated by public order

6 considerations. I say that because Madden & Finucane

7 submit that General Ford believed that the parade was to

8 be stopped, and I quote:

9 "... simply because it was your view that it was

10 a challenge to the Security Forces, not because of any

11 public order considerations, not because of any genuine

12 policing considerations."

13 The reference is chapter 10.2.24.5. One possible

14 view is that the march was or could reasonably be

15 considered to be a number of things. Firstly, illegal;

16 secondly, itself a challenge to the law, thereby giving

17 rise to public order considerations as to whether it

18 should be stopped; thirdly, likely or liable to produce

19 then or thereafter actual disorder; and fourthly

20 a challenge to the Security Forces' ability to enforce

21 the law against public marches so recently extended.

22 Another possible view is that decision to stop the

23 parade was an unwise and in the event disastrous

24 application of a military mindset and that its emphasis

25 on the restoration and enforcement of law and order and


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1 the securing of victory, as opposed to the more measured

2 and experienced police view that discretion was the

3 better part of valour, was misplaced.

4 As we know, the arrangements for dealing with the

5 march on 30th January differed markedly for those of the

6 march when it was to be held on the 16th. The reasons

7 for the change according to the evidence of General Ford

8 and others, were the much greater number of marchers now

9 contemplated, the large number of Security Force

10 personnel that would in consequence be needed, which

11 meant in reality the Army would have to manage the

12 march, the effect of stopping it predicted by Mr Lagan

13 and the greater prospect of hooligan violence arising

14 from the greater number of persons attending.

15 On the same day the Cabinet Secretary and Sir

16 Stewart Crawford, the Permanent Secretary to the Foreign

17 Office, called on Mr Lynch on his way back from Dublin

18 at the Irish Embassy, at which he indicated he might

19 launch his proposed initiative at his party conference

20 on 18th and 19th February.

21 On Wednesday, 26th January, General Ford received

22 Brigadier McClellan's outline plan. The evidence is not

23 entirely clear as to whether or not the plan then

24 included on arrest operation. Whether it did or not, an

25 arrest operation was undoubtedly under consideration at


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1 the afternoon meeting at Headquarters Northern Ireland.

2 Meanwhile, D Ops committee had met. The minutes of

3 that meeting contain no reference to an arrest operation

4 and it was the recollection of the secretary of the

5 committee, INQ1869, there was no discussion or

6 consideration of that. General Ford had no recollection

7 of any such discussion either. At the meeting in the

8 afternoon General Ford approved the brigade plan which

9 was subsequently embodied in the brigade order.

10 There is set out in our submission, as in those of

11 others, citations in the evidence in 1972 and such as it

12 was in the recollection before this Inquiry of those who

13 gave evidence of what transpired at the meeting. The

14 Tribunal may think that a passage of particular

15 significance appears in General Ford's evidence to

16 Lord Widgery. May we have WT-Day10-0048, at letter E:

17 "Question: Was it envisaged on the 26th January

18 that the scoop-up operation would involve troops going

19 to the northern end of the Rossville flats?

20 "Answer: The northern end of the Rossville Flats

21 was not specifically mentioned, but the principle, if

22 you would like -- it was always intended that if an

23 opportunity occurred, the scoop-up operation would be

24 such that someone would be able to get behind the

25 hooligans. Otherwise there was no object in launching


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1 it.

2 "Question: That is what my Lord would probably have

3 expected. You wanted to get behind them and then trap

4 them between the troops and the barricades?

5 "Answer: That is correct.

6 "Question: What I am asking you at the moment is in

7 order to do that it was envisaged that the troops might

8 advance some hundreds of yards into the Bogside?

9 "Answer: In fact, there was no discussion at that

10 meeting about the details of the scoop-up operation. It

11 was a matter for the Brigade Commander."

12 Over the page, I pick it up from the first answer.

13 "Answer: No, there was no discussion, except that

14 there was mention of the fact that there must be

15 a favourable opportunity to launch the [arrest

16 operation].

17 "Question: What in that context was regarded as

18 a favourable opportunity?

19 "Answer: Separation of the marchers from the

20 hooligans."

21 The particular features to which I have drawn

22 attention are firstly the recognition that if the

23 operation was to be a success, it would be necessary to

24 get behind the hooligans; secondly, the plan appears to

25 have been to trap the hooligans between the troops and


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1 the barricades; thirdly, there was no discussion about

2 the details of the scoop-up operation, except there must

3 be a favourable opportunity to launch it, namely

4 separation of the marchers from the hooligans.

5 One of the important issues of the Tribunal is

6 whether, as Madden & Finucane submit "separation is

7 a complete fabrication, developed in the aftermath of

8 Bloody Sunday to justify the Army's action in launching

9 the arrest operation" or as their alternative submission

10 that separation was decided before the march, but as an

11 afterthought.

12 Another equally important issue is as to whether or

13 not the arrest operation needed and if so whether it

14 received, the degree of detailed planning that was

15 appropriate. The tenor of General Ford's evidence is

16 that detailed planning was not his responsibility and so

17 there was no detailed discussion at the meeting of 26th.

18 There seems to have been no detailed discussion at the

19 brigade co-ordinating conference thereafter, on the

20 footing that that was something for the commander of the

21 arrest force to do. Colonel Wilford's plans of the

22 battalion order group were themselves of a very general

23 character.

24 The Tribunal will want to consider whether in

25 circumstances where it was necessary to get behind the


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1 hooligans if the operation was to have a realistic

2 prospect of success and where the maximum number of

3 hooligans previously caught had been something of the

4 order of 23 or 27, the degree of tactical planning was

5 commensurate to the task in hand and whether there was

6 any object in launching it without such planning.

7 On 27th January six important events occurred.

8 Firstly, the brigade order was produced. Secondly, the

9 Director of Intelligence's signal was sent relaying

10 information received the day before from Observer C at

11 the house of Observer D and passed to David on the

12 evening of 26th. Thirdly, the Joint Security Committee

13 met. Fourthly, GEN 47 met. Fifthly, Sir Edward Heath

14 and Mr Faulkner met.

15 So far as the signal is concerned, it does not seem

16 to have told 8th Brigade anything much more than they

17 had already forecast as a possibility themselves since

18 one of the threats specified in the order was of IRA

19 terrorist activity to take advantage of the event to

20 conduct shooting attacks against the security forces.

21 No-one appears to recollect the signal as having

22 a radical or it would seem any significant effect on the

23 Army's thinking and the possibility of the IRA using the

24 crowd for cover was already in mind. See the evidence

25 of INQ2241 and Lieutenant Colonel Jackson.


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1 Neither the signal nor the intelligence contained in

2 it appear to have percolated very far.

3 Brigadier McClellan had no recollection of it and

4 thought that it did not tell the Army anything they did

5 not either know or anticipate. Colonel Wilford did not

6 recall ever having seen the signal or being informed of

7 the message contained in it, nor did Lieutenant Colonel

8 Steele.

9 Detective Chief Inspector Donnelly, who is recorded

10 as having read it, told the Tribunal he had no

11 recollection of having seen or read it. Mr Lagan

12 appears to have had the information contained in it

13 relayed to him, but did not place any particular weight

14 on it. David sent it, of course, but it is not clear to

15 what extent it percolated through the upper echelons of

16 the MoD.

17 That does not mean the signal was either fake or not

18 believed to be accurate. The post-30th January 1972

19 intelligence reports contain a number of references to

20 what appears to be the signal and there is one HQNI

21 document that appears to refer to it and which predates

22 30th January. May we have on the screen G83.526 which

23 is a page of the operational summary for the week ending

24 1700 on 28th January. That contains this paragraph:

25 "The march in Londonderry will present particular


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1 problems and a greater than usual opportunity for

2 demonstrating the difficulties of preventing violations

3 of the ban in republican areas. Intelligence reports

4 indicate that the IRA are determined to produce a major

5 confrontation by one means or another during the march."

6 It is against that background that the Tribunal must

7 evaluate the submission made at paragraph 3.123 of their

8 submissions by Lord Gifford that the information in the

9 signal was "not believed to be accurate by those in the

10 Security Service who were responsible for creating or

11 relaying it" and their suspicion that it was:

12 "... created and/or forwarded to 8th Brigade to put

13 on record an IRA threat which could be used after the

14 event to assist in pinning responsibility on the IRA for

15 any civilian casualties that might occur."

16 The submission does not indicate who it is suggested

17 did not believe the signal to be accurate or to have

18 created or forwarded it for these malign purposes, but

19 the candidates are presumably David and Julian, to

20 neither of whom was this suggestion made.

21 It seems that with the exception of the information

22 from Observer B to which I have referred, the

23 information contained in this signal was the one piece

24 of specific intelligence received before Bloody Sunday

25 that indicated that the IRA would be likely to shoot at


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1 the Army using the crowd as cover. In the events that

2 happened the report is shown not to have been reliable

3 as a prophecy insofar as it is suggested that the IRA

4 would use the crowd of marchers as cover to fire at the

5 troops. I do not propose at this juncture to go into

6 any detail orally in respect of the issues that arise in

7 relation to the order itself. There is, however, one

8 point that I desire to address. May we have on the

9 screen G95.570. In paragraph 9F, there are the

10 directions to 1 Para. They include the provision that

11 "the scoop-up operation is likely to be launched on two

12 axes. One directed towards hooligan activity in the

13 area of William Street/Little Diamond and one towards

14 the area of William Street/Little James Street.

15 "It is expected that the arrest operation will be

16 conducted on foot."

17 Lieutenant Colonel Steele as he then was, the

18 draftsman, said that he specified these two axes because

19 they were the two places where rioting was most common

20 because this "allowed the commanding officer of 1 Para

21 to make a detailed plan for the scoop-up operation,

22 planning how the arrest operation would take place was

23 his responsibility. He was able to make whatever plan

24 he deemed appropriate from the guidance set out in the

25 operation order."


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1 At paragraph 5E30 of their submissions the Lawton

2 team make the point that the arrest operation was

3 envisaged as taking place in and around or with its

4 focus at Aggro Corner but no area of operation was laid

5 down, nor was it desirable, as it should have been, and

6 that the order did not set out any sort of boundary or

7 limit of exploitation. That and subsequent paragraphs

8 refer to what is characterised as:

9 "... a remarkable lack of co-operation between

10 questioners and witnesses."

11 On the issue of what could and could not be done by

12 way of planning and therefore orders as at 27th January,

13 characterised, so it is said, by an insistence on

14 reading in boundaries for the arrest operation that are

15 not there.

16 I do not propose now to go into the question of

17 whether there was quite such a lack of communication as

18 that of which the submissions speak and I doubt not the

19 Tribunal well understands the distinction between

20 a limitation specified in an order and an area where the

21 arrests are contemplated as likely to take place. What

22 I suggest may be important is for the Tribunal to reach

23 a view as to what was in mind as likely because that may

24 assist in determining what it was that the brigadier

25 thought he was ordering, whether there was a departure


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1 from what he ordered or thought he had ordered or

2 whether what happened resulted from a want of adequate

3 planning as to what should happen if events turned

4 out -- if events thought as likely to happen did in fact

5 occur.

6 As to that, may we have on the screen B1315.0156.

7 At one point in his evidence, Lieutenant Colonel Steele

8 drew the circle which appears now on the screen, to

9 represent the area in which he envisaged that the arrest

10 operation would take place, although it could go further

11 south, depending on the exigencies of the situation.

12 It was his evidence that he envisaged a very swift

13 in and out operation. That is also consistent with what

14 Colonel Wilford appears to have had in mind -- could we

15 have B110.241 -- as appears from the rough diagram now

16 on the screen, that he gave to the Tribunal to

17 illustrate what he envisaged.

18 One of the most important issues for the Tribunal to

19 decide is what was discussed and planned by the members

20 of GEN 47 at their meeting on 27th January. The

21 essential question is whether or not the account given

22 in the minutes of the meeting is an accurate one. The

23 essence of the record is that no mention was made of

24 a specific operation involving 1 Para in arresting

25 a large number of hooligans, although some arrests were


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1 contemplated if and when confrontation developed when

2 the march was stopped. Nor, according to the record,

3 was there mention of some special risk of violence,

4 other than incidents of confrontation between the Army

5 and the IRA -- other than if an instance of

6 confrontation between marchers and the Army, much less

7 of a gun battle between the Army and the IRA although

8 firing on the army was something that at the time could

9 never be ruled out completely. Thirdly, the minutes

10 recall that an important concern was how to handle the

11 public relations given that the march was going to go

12 some considerable way before it was stopped.

13 The evidence before the Tribunal of what transpired

14 at that meeting, in addition to the minutes, includes

15 the written and oral evidence of Sir Edward Heath and

16 Lord Carrington, the written evidence of Lord Balniel,

17 the written and oral evidence of the late Sir Arthur

18 Hockaday, who took the minutes, the written statement of

19 the late Lord Carver, the written and oral evidence of

20 Lord Armstrong, who was probably there in his capacity

21 as Sir Edward's Principal Private Secretary and the

22 notes of Sir Burke Trend, the Cabinet Secretary.

23 The Tribunal needs to evaluate the submission made

24 by the Gifford team, firstly, that those present

25 appreciated that the dispositions approved by them


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1 endangered the lives of marchers.

2 Secondly, that at the lowest those who approved

3 those dispositions did not care whether the dispositions

4 would have lethal results.

5 Thirdly, that the meeting knew of the risk and

6 "deliberately approved the dispositions for what they

7 perceived to be a greater good, namely the strict

8 enforcement of the law and the need to avoid Protestant

9 ill-feeling."

10 Fourthly, that Ministers knew that the arrest

11 operation "would be likely to lead to a shooting war

12 between the IRA and the Army and innocent marchers would

13 be likely to be killed and injured as a result."

14 Considering that, again I quote:

15 "The marchers were law breakers and allies of the

16 IRA whose lives could properly be jeopardised in order

17 to demonstrate to the Northern Ireland Government and

18 its supporters that the ban on marches would be enforced

19 with zeal."

20 This allegation was put in terms to Lord Carrington,

21 who described it as "an accusation which really did not

22 make sense", as well as being "disgraceful," to

23 Sir Edward who said "it was completely wrong," to

24 Sir Arthur Hockaday, who said "it would have been the

25 worst possible thing to do," and to Mr Kelvin White, who


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1 said "absolute and total rubbish from beginning to end."

2 The Tribunal will also note the evidence from Lord

3 Crawford's second statement. Lord Hume and Viscount

4 Whitelaw are dead. Lord Pym was in 1972 the

5 Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury and the chief

6 whip, and had no recollection of the meetings of GEN 47

7 on 27th or 31st January.

8 With those exceptions, the Tribunal has, I think,

9 heard evidence from all the material persons who were

10 present at the meeting.

11 It is for the Tribunal to decide what view it takes

12 of that evidence and whether, when there was

13 a possibility of a new political initiative to find

14 a solution of the problems of Northern Ireland, it made

15 sense deliberately to endanger the lives of innocent

16 Catholics in order to avoid Protestant ill-feeling.

17 The Joint Security Council met on the same day. The

18 Tribunal will recall, may we have G76.465, that the

19 minutes include a paragraph which reads:

20 "The basic plan here will be to block all routes

21 into William Street and stop the march there. The

22 operation might well develop into rioting and even

23 a shooting war."

24 The Tribunal may need to take a view as to the

25 significance of that phrase. The minutes do not reveal


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1 exactly how, in the view of the committee or one of more

2 of its members, the operation might develop into "even

3 a shooting war", or the degree of likelihood of that

4 happening, although the use of the word "even" seems to

5 indicate that it was regarded as only a possible result.

6 The terms of the minute appear to show that it was

7 the operation of blocking the routes into William Street

8 and stopping the march there which, it was said, might

9 have the effect. So one may perhaps infer what was

10 contemplated was rioting at the blocks where the march

11 was stopped and the possible use of firearms at this

12 stage, either with a view to getting past the blocks or

13 to take advantage of a riot. The possibility of

14 a shooting war does not appear, from the minutes, to

15 have been expressly linked to any arrest operation.

16 Nor, according to the minutes, does the JSC any more

17 than the D Ops Committee, appear to have discussed the

18 carrying out of a specific operation or to have been

19 considered or been apprised of the advice of Chief

20 Superintendent Lagan.

21 The Tribunal wish to bear in mind Sir Arthur

22 Hockaday's evidence, the passage was "no more than

23 a statement of the obvious".

24 It will equally want to take into account the

25 evidence of Sir David Ramsbotham, referred to at chapter


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1 10.3.47, of Madden & Finucane's submission, that

2 General Carver was aware and would have informed the

3 Prime Minister and the Defence Secretary of such a risk.

4 Whatever the nature of the reference at the JSC to

5 the possibility of a shooting war, it does not appear to

6 have arisen for consideration at GEN 47 in London. As

7 to that, GEN 47 took place in London at the same time as

8 the JSC met in Belfast, so on any view what was being

9 said there could not have been know to GEN 47 when it

10 met, unless some message was sent from one meeting to

11 another, of which there is no evidence from anyone with

12 direct knowledge.

13 Secondly, the minutes of the JSC were delivered to

14 the MoD. There is considerable doubt as to whether they

15 would have reached the MoD before the 30th let alone on

16 27th. Thirdly, there is no evidence that these minutes

17 reached 10 Downing Street and the evidence of Sir Edward

18 Heath, Lord Carrington, Lord Balniel and Lord Armstrong

19 was that they did not see the minutes of the JSC nor

20 were they aware of the possibility of a shooting war,

21 nor despite the belief of Sir David Ramsbotham, briefed

22 about the risk of an engagement with the IRA.

23 The observations I have just made take the documents

24 at their face value. The Gifford team submit that is

25 the wrong approach and that the likelihood is that the


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1 members of the JSC were told of the arrest plan but

2 thought it wiser not to minute any detail thereof.

3 Secondly, the reference to a shooting war was

4 a reference to a prediction as to what would happen when

5 the march was blocked, rioting started and the arrest

6 operation began; and thirdly the GOC's predictions must

7 have been communicated to the Ministry of Defence and

8 the Chief of the General Staff and a report of the

9 meeting made to the Home Office by the United Kingdom

10 representative and to the MoD by the JSC. In this

11 connection it is to be noted that when speaking in the

12 House of Commons on 1st February 1972, Lord Balniel

13 said, the reference is V27 column one, that "the arrest

14 operation was discussed by the Joint Security Council."

15 The brigade order group conference took place in the

16 afternoon Friday 28th. Colonel Wilford conducted

17 a reconnaissance before it. A number of issues arise,

18 including the following: did Colonel Wilford and

19 Brigadier McClellan have any discussion prior to the

20 conference about his plans? Secondly, what discussion

21 was there at the conference itself about tactical plans

22 for the arrest operation. The answer would appear to

23 be: not much. The Tribunal might find telling in this

24 respect the fact that Brigadier McClellan's recollection

25 to the Tribunal was that as Colonel Wilford had two days


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1 or so to do a reconnaissance and the tactical plan was

2 his "before he had done a reconnaissance there was no

3 point in discussing it with him almost" in fact he

4 appears already to have made one.

5 The next important issue is whether separation was

6 discussed and then whether any discussion took place

7 afterwards with Brigadier McClellan, to which the answer

8 would appear to be: no. As I said, Madden & Finucane

9 submit that the separation was either never a part of

10 the planning process or was alternatively an

11 afterthought. The Tribunal will wish to reach, if it

12 can, a conclusion on that.

13 In evaluating the evidence the Tribunal will have to

14 determine whether it accepts that separation was

15 mentioned at the conference, whether or not it was

16 mentioned in a perfunctory way and whether or not there

17 was any detailed discussion on the topic. It will need

18 to consider whether the position is both that separation

19 was mentioned and that it was something that went

20 without saying, which was what was suggested by the

21 evidence of Colonel Jackson. It will also need to

22 address the submission that General Welsh perjured

23 himself in his evidence to the Tribunal on this issue.

24 The Tribunal will also have to consider whether the

25 arrangements for monitoring whether sufficient


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1 separation had occurred were adequate.

2 Various allegations have been made over the years as

3 to the existence of various plans, to either adopt

4 a "shoot to kill" policy or use the march in order to

5 draw out the IRA and shoot them, or to punish the

6 population of the Bogside or to soften them up. In his

7 opening statement on Day 49, Lord Gifford submitted in

8 these terms:

9 "We cannot simply say, as we submit Mr Clarke tried

10 a little facilely to do, to say because there is no

11 evidence, we cannot conclude there was any sinister

12 plan."

13 It is for the Tribunal to decide whether or not my

14 observations were facile, whether slightly or otherwise.

15 If they were, the Tribunal should without hesitation

16 reject them. It is however important to note that my

17 submission was not limited to what might be thought the

18 somewhat pedestrian observation that the absence of any

19 evidence of any sinister plan is an indication that none

20 existed. It extended to the facts (a) that the evidence

21 of those who would have been concerned to implement such

22 a plan was that no such plan existed. The Tribunal will

23 have to reach a view as to the credibility of that

24 evidence.

25 Secondly, the documentation both before and after


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1 30th January 1972, not only betrayed no hint of such

2 a plan, but was inconsistent with it. Thirdly, the

3 making and implementation of such a plan would have been

4 an absurdity since it would be likely to wreck all

5 chance of a political initiative or of the

6 implementation of the plans of the Home Secretary then

7 under active consideration. And fourthly, the meeting

8 of the Northern Ireland policy group at about 10.30 on

9 Monday 31st January after the event reveals no hint of

10 any such plan.

11 I recognised in opening expressly the possibility

12 that plans could be made in secret and purposely left

13 out of even secret documentation, but plans cannot be

14 put into effect without communication in some manner to

15 those who are to implement them. It is for that reason

16 that the evidence of those who would have to approve or

17 implement the plan if it existed and the Tribunal's view

18 of that evidence is of particular importance.

19 In their final submissions the Lawton team have

20 devoted space with a view to showing that the opening

21 submissions made on behalf of several interested parties

22 and their subsequent development were ill-founded and on

23 occasion mutually inconsistent. It is for the Tribunal

24 to decide whether there is any and if so what substance

25 in the various formulations that have been put forward


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1 which may be ranked in descending order of turpitude and

2 perhaps increasing order of possibility which, put in

3 broad terms are as follows: firstly, the suggestion that

4 there was a plan to kill civilians. Secondly, there was

5 contemplation of the use of unlawful force; thirdly,

6 there was deliberate risk-taking or impediment of

7 civilian life in order to reassert authority and assuage

8 Loyalist opinion. Fourthly, there was a failure to

9 avoid known risks of death or injury to civilians or

10 risks that ought to have been known either by letting

11 the march through or by preventing the arrest operation

12 taking place.

13 The battalion orders group took place on the

14 Saturday. The notes of the orders are notes that the

15 Tribunal has seen. They record the battalion would take

16 up its position in the Foyle College car park and

17 include a passage, paragraph 3, which reads:

18 "If the march takes place and confrontation becomes

19 hostile the battalion will deploy forward to break up

20 the rioters and make the maximum number of arrests. At

21 this stage I cannot give a detailed tactical plan.

22 I will give the company deployment in our forming-up

23 place and then give my concept of how I think the battle

24 can go."

25 As these notes appear to make clear there was, by


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1 this stage, no detailed tactical plan just as there had

2 been no such plan at HQNI or brigade level earlier.

3 What appears to have been contemplated --

4 Colonel Wilford's recollection of these initial plans

5 was thin -- was that some form of pincer attack was to

6 be made according to the route taken by the crowd to

7 approach the barricades. Colonel Wilford said that had

8 his original plan gone ahead it would not have been

9 necessary to give further detailed tactical planning at

10 the forming-up places. Although this is perhaps

11 a little difficult to square with his notes which

12 indicate that this is what he would do. He certainly

13 had no recollection of doing so.

14 In each case the Presbyterian Church was envisaged

15 as one of the points of access. Lieutenant Colonel

16 Wilford said that he assumed at this stage from his

17 observation from one of the buildings that he had used

18 for reconnaissance there was a concealed route that

19 could be taken from the church to Aggro Corner. There

20 does not seem to have been any discussion at this order

21 group of the concept of separation or of the need to

22 distinguish the hooligan from the non-hooligan, a fact

23 that Madden & Finucane pray in aid to suggest that

24 separation had not been discussed at the co-ordinating

25 conference either. There is also no evidence that these


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1 plans were communicated to brigade for whom

2 Madden & Finucane suggest it would have been material to

3 know, amongst other things, how rioters were to be

4 prevented from retreating south or west and how he

5 proposed to break out from the church.

6 As we know in the event the route over the church

7 was ruled out because the ground level on one side was

8 significantly lower on the other. According to the

9 Lawton team, this was "just the sort of fact which is

10 all too obvious with the benefit of hindsight but may

11 well not have been anticipated even with the benefit of

12 careful preparation and/or local knowledge. Only those

13 who had actually climbed the wall and looked at the

14 ground on both sides were likely to have appreciated the

15 problem."

16 It is for the Tribunal to decide whether or not this

17 flaw in an important potential access point was

18 something that could and should have been appreciated

19 either before 30th January or, at any rate, before the

20 time when it was in fact discovered on that day.

21 The companies' order groups were held in the late

22 afternoon, platoon order groups in the evening. Perhaps

23 the most important matter for the Tribunal to endeavour

24 to reach a conclusion upon is whether, of the order

25 group for the Anti-Tank plan, Lieutenant 119 said


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1 anything to the effect of either "let us teach these

2 buggers a lesson, we want some kills tomorrow" which was

3 O27's 1975 version or something along the lines "we

4 should take care not to let them get us before we get

5 them" and whether one particular soldier, namely F,

6 showed particular interest in the possibility of getting

7 some kills.

8 One issue the Tribunal may wish to address is as to

9 the adequacy of the planning carried out by NICRA in

10 respect of the march and, in particular, whether, as

11 alleged in the Aitken team final submissions, there was

12 an inadequate number of stewards for the size of the

13 march anticipated and no knowledge by NICRA as to their

14 number or provenance. B, inadequate instructions were

15 given to stewards who were inappropriately deployed. C,

16 the communication equipment provided was deficient and

17 D, there was insufficient communication of the change in

18 the march route from that advertised.

19 The Tribunal may wish to consider whether, even if

20 any defects it finds in the NICRA planning had been

21 remedied that would have made any difference if the

22 march still went ahead. Assume there had been many more

23 stewards at Aggro Corner, but the intention to go down

24 Rossville Street had been announced at the beginning of

25 and during the march and that there was adequate


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1 loudspeaker equipment, the Tribunal might think it an

2 open question whether the course of events would have

3 been markedly different. Once the march got to

4 Aggro Corner it would in practice have been a tall order

5 to prevent hooligans from running down to barrier 14

6 because of the large expanse of land to the north which

7 it would take a lot of manpower to cordon off.

8 From the other side of the fence, Army planning, the

9 Tribunal may think the relevant questions include the

10 following: firstly, whether it was appropriate to stop

11 the march at all. Secondly, whether it was appropriate

12 to plan contingently for an arrest operation. Thirdly,

13 whether it was appropriate to use 1 Para as the

14 arresting force. Fourthly whether the planning of the

15 arrest operation was adequate and in particular whether

16 sufficient regard was had to the risks to innocent

17 civilians. Fifthly, whether the operation should have

18 been launched on the day when it was, and lastly whether

19 the operation was properly implemented when it was

20 launched.

21 As to the question whether it was appropriate to

22 stop the march at all, the Tribunal may think the

23 options available were effectively the

24 following: firstly the course proposed by Mr Lagan of

25 allowing the march to proceed to the Guildhall and


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1 a meeting to take place there. Prosecutions of marchers

2 to follow after the march was over.

3 Secondly, the course in fact adopted or intended to

4 be adopted, namely to prevent the march from crossing

5 the containment line and to launch an arrest operation

6 if rioting developed and continued, provided the

7 Tribunal accepts this was part of the plan, there was

8 a sufficient degree of separation between marchers and

9 hooligans. Thirdly, to contain the march within the

10 containment line, but not to launch any arrest operation

11 unless absolutely necessary, either to prevent the

12 barriers being overrun or prevent injury or loss of life

13 and to allow time for any hooligan activity to peter

14 out.

15 The questions at issue by may looked from a number

16 of angles. One is whether or not the decisions made

17 were competently made. As to that the Tribunal may

18 think the question is whether the decisions made by

19 those who made them were within the range of choices

20 open to the decision-makers in the exercise of a

21 professional judgment. Any judgment on that question

22 has to be made by reference to what was or ought to have

23 been known when the relevant decisions were made and not

24 with the perfect 20/20 vision of hindsight.

25 A second question is whether, even if the decisions


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1 made were competently made, it would in the light of the

2 material that was or ought to have been available for

3 consideration at the time, have been wiser to adopt

4 a different course. If the Tribunal thinks it

5 appropriate to address this question at all, it will no

6 doubt be aware of the danger of hindsight even if

7 expressly disavowed, in fact influencing any such

8 conclusion. The third question is whether, with the

9 benefit of hindsight, the decisions made were flawed.

10 There is, however, another dimension.

11 Responsibility for the events of the day cannot be

12 determined simply by asking whether some one or more

13 persons were incompetent, could have been wiser or as it

14 turned out made the wrong decision. Although in 1972

15 the European Convention was not part of the municipal

16 law of the United Kingdom and would not be so for

17 another 26 years, the United Kingdom was a party to it

18 and had obligations under it, even though they were only

19 capable of vindication in Strasbourg. The obligations

20 of the United Kingdom under Article 2 of the Convention

21 require one to examine "whether the force used by the

22 soldiers was strictly proportionate -- not only whether

23 the force used by the soldiers was strictly

24 proportionate, but also whether the policing operation

25 was planned and controlled by the authorities so as to


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1 minimise to the greatest extent possible recourse to

2 lethal force, paragraph 194 of the McCann decision."

3 In our written submissions we have considered

4 a range of views on the question whether it was

5 appropriate to stop the march which I do not propose now

6 to rehearse. Another question the Tribunal will need to

7 address is what risk to the safety of innocent civilians

8 was or should have been recognised by the Army and the

9 Stormont and Westminster governments and their

10 officials.

11 The expression "risk to the safety of innocent

12 civilians" covers a wide spectrum. The risk may vary

13 from the theoretical to the practically certain and that

14 of which there is a risk may range from the forceful

15 scuffle of demonstrators to a pitched gun battle with

16 paramilitaries. However, at the time the appearance of

17 soldiers on the streets carried with it some risk that

18 someone might try and shoot them and possibly endanger

19 others in the process in which case the army would

20 respond and there could indeed be a shooting war.

21 The Tribunal may therefore think that particular

22 care is required in using and analysing the use by

23 others of the somewhat elastic terminology of "risk".

24 Even the expression "substantial risk" or "serious risk"

25 can mean different things to different people. Thus the


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1 proposition that the Government or the Security Forces

2 foresaw a risk to innocent civilians and nevertheless

3 was prepared to run with it begs many questions as to

4 what degree of risk it foresaw, of what risk and what

5 were the implications of action and inaction.

6 We examine in our written submissions the various

7 contentions of the relevant interested parties about

8 risk, at the risk of over-simplification on the one hand

9 Madden & Finucane contend that the Stormont and British

10 governments approved an arrest operation in which they

11 saw as a foreseeable outcome that the lives of innocent

12 civilians might be endangered and decided to run the

13 risk of those lives being endangered and both

14 governments neglected to take steps to ensure the

15 operation was conducted in a manner designed to minimise

16 to the greatest extent possible the risk to the lives of

17 innocent civilians.

18 On the other hand the Lawton team distinguish

19 between the risk of non-rioters getting involved in an

20 arrest operation and getting arrested and the risk of

21 people not using firearms getting caught up in a

22 firefight. The former risk was obvious. As to the

23 latter, the assessment was, as they contend, that the

24 IRA would not fire from amongst the peaceful element of

25 the crowd; that any armed intervention would be likely


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1 to be related to hooligans; precautions were being taken

2 in the form of a large number of visible soldiers in the

3 countersniper role and the encouragement of the presence

4 of the media and if there was firing at the troops it

5 would be sporadic. That risk, they submit, had to be

6 balanced against the need for an arrest operation. They

7 submit, "that was not open to General Ford to omit to

8 make such provision necessary if the army was to be able

9 to fulfil its obligation to protect the lives of troops,

10 to maintain law and order and protect property on the

11 grounds that the IRA might indulge in sporadic sniping

12 of soldiers on the barriers or those attempting to make

13 arrests."

14 It will also wish to consider the Aitken team's

15 submission, that it is doubtful whether an arrest

16 operation, particularly one close to Army barriers,

17 would increase the risk of shooting incidents occurring.

18 The Tribunal may think the cogency of that point is

19 significantly dependent on the operation being quick,

20 indeed fairly close to the barriers and in circumstances

21 of separation.

22 As I have said, it is important to be clear what

23 risk one is talking about. Specifically is it a risk

24 (a) of physical confrontation, including throwing of

25 missiles when the march and rioters met the army or is


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1 it a risk secondly that the IRA or freelancers would

2 fire at the army at the barriers and that civilians

3 might get caught in the cross-fire. Thirdly, is it

4 a risk that if an arrest operation took place, soldiers

5 would use lethal fire in carrying it out, because, for

6 instance, of the type of soldiers they were, the

7 circumstances in which they were required to carry the

8 operation out or the deficiencies of the planning of it.

9 The Tribunal will have noted the Madden & Finucane

10 team "do not advance the proposition that an arrest

11 operation increased the risk of shooting incidents

12 occurring in as much as what is being referred to is the

13 risk of attack by civilian gunman. This marries with

14 their submission that all the deceased and injured were

15 intentionally shot, not shot by mistake or caught in

16 cross-fire, without justification when neither they nor

17 anyone in their vicinity was doing anything which did or

18 could have been thought to justify shooting. If this is

19 so then the significance of the reference to a shooting

20 war at the JSC on 27th January is much reduced.

21 On this hypothesis someone foresaw as a possibility

22 what did not in fact take place. The Tribunal will

23 nevertheless wish to consider whether the arrest

24 operation did increase the risk of attack by civilian

25 gunmen and its possible effect on innocent civilians,


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1 particularly if the Tribunal concludes there was any

2 such attack and whether, on that account, either it

3 should not have been attempted or should have been

4 ordered differently.

5 What Madden & Finucane do submit is that the Army

6 ought to have had in contemplation the risk of the use

7 of lethal force by soldiers because of a number of

8 factors known to generals Carver and Tuzo and Ford and

9 Brigadier McClellan, notably the presence of a large

10 number of unarmed civilians; the use of soldiers armed

11 with SLRs to police them; the unfamiliarity of 1 Para

12 with the geography; their reputation for aggression; the

13 difficulty of identifying the source of gunfire in the

14 Bogside; the difficulty of controlling the use of force

15 by troops once firing breaks out and the fact that

16 soldiers have not been slow to use lethal force in

17 Northern Ireland in the past.

18 To the extent the Tribunal accepts those factors or

19 any of them created or increased the risk of lethal

20 force being used by soldiers, the Tribunal may wish to

21 consider firstly whether those factors increased the

22 risk of the use of unlawful lethal force, and secondly

23 whether or not the risks involved were ones that the

24 army were justified in taking, having regard, amongst

25 other things to the consequence of not taking them or


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1 ones in relation to which some different course of

2 action should have been taken.

3 If, and to the extent the Tribunal has any

4 criticisms of the decision to stop the march or to carry

5 out an arrest operation, the question will arise as to

6 at whom such criticisms should be directed. That in

7 turn will depend upon what view the Tribunal takes as to

8 the extent to which those concerned were aware of what

9 was planned, did or should have realised the risk of

10 death or serious injury from the fulfillment of the

11 plan, considered and evaluated the risks or should have

12 done so and informed or advised others of risk or should

13 have done so.

14 In the body of our submissions we address the

15 various contentions to the effect that different

16 individuals, in particular members of Gen 47, had or

17 should have been at greater appreciation of the risks

18 that they may have said. The Tribunal may also wish to

19 consider whether there was an inadequate supply of

20 information, whether culpable or otherwise to GEN 47 and

21 whether there was any imbalance between the way in which

22 matters were presented to it and the way they were

23 regarded by the Army so far as the degree of risk of

24 violence and even shooting was concerned.

25 May we have on the screen G48.301. As to that,


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1 GEN 47 was, according to the evidence of its members,

2 not told of an arrest operation by 1 Para. In

3 paragraph 10 of his memorandum of January 1972 General

4 Ford had recorded that it was the opinion of the senior

5 commanders in Londonderry that "if the march took place,

6 however good the intentions of NICRA may be, the DYH,

7 backed up by the gunmen, will undoubtedly take over

8 control at an early stage."

9 Similarly, in the background description to

10 Operation Forecast, it was said "we expect a hooligan

11 element to accompany the marchers and anticipate an

12 intensification of the normal level of hooliganism and

13 rioting during and after the march, almost certainly,

14 snipers petrol bombers and nail bombers will support the

15 rioters."

16 The Tribunal will have to consider whether this was

17 simply a recognition of threats that were always there

18 or whether it was a consideration that should have more

19 specifically been drawn to those who were making

20 decisions as to the day.

21 I turn to the use of 1 Para as an arrest force. In

22 the body of our submissions we address that question.

23 The Tribunal may think that the first question to be

24 answered is whether General Ford chose 1 Para for the

25 reasons that he stated. Or alternatively, as


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1 Madden & Finucane submit, that those reasons are untrue

2 and he chose them, as they contend, because of their

3 reputation for going in hard, his dissatisfaction with

4 8th Brigade, the fact he wanted a battalion that did not

5 operate a policy of containment and because it would

6 give him more control of the operation.

7 Our submissions also contain an analysis, some of

8 which is derived from the helpful submissions of the

9 Aitken team which appear to show that an arrest force

10 could, if decision had been so made, have been made up

11 of local troops.

12 The next question is whether 1 Para was a wrong or

13 inappropriate choice --

14 LORD SAVILLE: I think we will take a five-minute break for

15 our LiveNote writer.

16 (11.00 am)

17 (A short break)

18 (11.15 am)

19 MR CLARKE: I was saying the next question was whether

20 1 Para was a wrong or inappropriate choice. In our

21 submissions we set out at some length the arguments in

22 favour both of the negative and an affirmative answer to

23 that question.

24 The next questions are: did or should the choice of

25 1 Para have caused General Ford or others to foresee


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1 there would be an increased risk of loss of life should

2 they come to be deployed. Secondly, given that 1 Para

3 were to be used as the arresting force, was there more

4 that should have been done and by whom by way of

5 reconnaissance briefing and liaison in order to obviate

6 any disadvantages that 1 Para might be under in not

7 having deployed to any material extent in Londonderry

8 before. On a more general level, the Tribunal will want

9 to consider whether the planning of the arrest operation

10 was adequate at HQNI, brigade and battalion level.

11 I have already pointed out the detailed planning for the

12 arrest operation was left by General Ford to those lower

13 down and by Brigadier McClellan to Colonel Wilford.

14 The Tribunal may want to consider whether

15 General Ford should have had himself better informed as

16 to how the arrest operation that he wanted was going to

17 work. As to whether it was satisfactory for

18 Brigadier McClellan to be responsible for launching the

19 operation in whole or in part, when on the day he had

20 a very limited idea of what exactly he was launching.

21 Thirdly, the Tribunal may wish to consider whether

22 the planning at brigade level was, so far as the arrest

23 operation was concerned, unacceptably thin in that it

24 did not sufficiently address issues such as the likely

25 route into the Bogside, how the concepts of scoop-up and


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1 separation would work, how separation was to be

2 monitored, how the activities of 1 Para were to be

3 co-ordinated with the resident battalions, whether there

4 should be any geographical limitation as to how far the

5 troops should go, whether the arrest force should in

6 certain circumstances withdraw and where the arrest

7 operation was envisaged as taking place.

8 Next, the Tribunal may wish to consider whether

9 there was sufficient co-ordination between the units

10 involved so they knew what was likely to happen, what

11 barriers would probably have to be opened and who would

12 have to go where. Then the Tribunal may wish to

13 consider whether the planning at battalion level was

14 adequate and whether or not the questions that I have

15 mooted in relation to brigade level are more

16 appropriately directed to the battalion level. Lastly,

17 whether there was adequate liaison by Colonel Wilford

18 with 8th Brigade and the resident battalions thereof.

19 Our submissions canvass the rival answers that have been

20 or may have been given to those answers.

21 If the Tribunal were to find that there were

22 failings in planning, that would not necessarily have

23 any bearing how it came about 27 people were shot. The

24 Tribunal may, however, wish to consider the submission

25 of the Aitken team adopting a suggestion of mine, that,


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1 and I quote "the way in which the plan appears to have

2 been executed seems to have been inconsistent with the

3 basis upon which it was to take place in the first

4 place."

5 Since the intended quick in and out scoop-up of

6 rioters close to the barriers became a frontal assault

7 on a crowd that was running away and, secondly, the

8 Tribunal may like to consider whether the potential

9 failings caused or contributed to the unsatisfactory

10 outcome whereby most of those arrested were those left

11 at 33 Chamberlain Street and the gable end of

12 Glenfada Park North, some of whom were, on any view, no

13 more than marchers and others of whom might have been,

14 but could not have been shown to have been rioters.

15 The Tribunal may wish to consider the further

16 suggestion made by the Aitken team that if the operation

17 as carried out had been proposed in advance,

18 Brigadier McClellan would have been unlikely to have

19 approved it. Whether that is so or not, the Tribunal

20 will wish to consider whether there was inadequate

21 planning as a result of which the operation as carried

22 out was likely to be unsuccessful and indeed risky. If

23 it were so to conclude, it would be mean that the

24 tragedy of Bloody Sunday arose for an operation that was

25 unlikely to achieve its ends and carried out on the


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1 orders of someone who had no clear idea of what the

2 arrest force planned to do at the time when he launched

3 it.

4 I turn now if I may to the events of the day itself.

5 The Tribunal has a mass of evidence about the events of

6 the day prior to the time when the Paras entered the

7 Bogside, particularly about the progress of the march,

8 the developing of the rioting at barriers 12, 13 and 14,

9 the use of water cannon there, the crew being overcome

10 with gas, the use by soldiers of gas at barrier 12.

11 Much of this evidence has been cited in their

12 submissions by the interested parties. It is also

13 addressed or referred to in our general submissions on

14 Sector 1, no useful purpose would be served by me

15 referring to the material, which is very extensive,

16 orally.

17 It may, however, be helpful to identify some of the

18 more important questions that arise. The first question

19 is whether the Gin Palace and brigade headquarters had

20 a BID 150 encryption unit. It is convenient to deal

21 with this in a moment in relation to the question as to

22 whether any and if so what orders were given. A second

23 question is: when did the plan change from one whereby

24 Support Company would go over or through the wall to the

25 east of the church to one where the company would go


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1 through barrier 12 in vehicles? There would seem to be

2 only a limited number of possible answers to that

3 question.

4 One possible answer is that the change was made and

5 communicated at lunchtime on the Sunday, in which case

6 Major Loden and Support Company seem to have been

7 inexplicably unprepared for going in through barrier 12

8 and spent unnecessary time, from 1540 onwards, according

9 to Major Loden's Diary of Operations getting the Mortar

10 Platoon to clear the wire off the wall to the east of

11 the church and moving the Machine-Gun Platoon into Abbey

12 Taxis.

13 The second possibility is that the change was

14 flagged as a possibility but no more at lunchtime, in

15 which case the Tribunal might think there was a failure

16 of timely appreciation of the need to go and preparation

17 for going through barrier 12 since, according to

18 Major Loden's Diary of Operations, the troops were only

19 ordered to their vehicles at 1600, but on this

20 hypothesis the activities on the wall and in Abbey Taxis

21 are not so strange.

22 A third possibility is that the change was made in

23 Colonel Wilford's mind at lunchtime, but only

24 communicated or effectively communicated to Major Loden

25 at 1600. If so the Tribunal may think it is either


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1 a failure of or a breakdown in communications which was

2 avoidable.

3 The fourth possibility was that the change was only

4 made in Colonel Wilford's mind at about 1600 when the

5 difficulty of getting over or through the wall appeared

6 insuperable and only then communicated.

7 This was a controversy that existed in 1972. The

8 relevant evidence, which is that of Major Loden and

9 Colonel Wilford, is set out in our submissions.

10 Two other questions of some significance are,

11 firstly: what was the strength and voracity of the

12 rioting? Secondly: whether, as NICRA contend, the use

13 of the water cannon at barrier 14 was precipitated and

14 unwarranted in that the stewards were, prior to that

15 time, getting stone throwers under control and that

16 rioting only began after the first use of the water

17 cannon. The evidence on that score is perhaps most

18 usefully set out in the submissions of the Aitken team

19 of NICRA and ourselves.

20 At some stage rioting developed in front of Abbey

21 Taxis. The evidence is conflicting as to the stage at

22 which that happened and whether the march was in full

23 flood, coming to an end or somewhere in between. The

24 Tribunal might find convincing the submission developed

25 in the Lawton team's submissions beginning at chapter


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1 6C-137 that significant stone-throwing did not occur

2 until the tail-end of the march was passing down

3 William Street because of the evidence there cited, the

4 unlikelihood of rioting developing as the main body of

5 the march with many ordinary rioters passed along, the

6 fact that soldiers of the Machine-Gun Platoon were not

7 ordered to move into place until about 1540 and do not

8 appear to have been spotted immediately. The

9 likelihood, confirmed by the evidence that they cite,

10 that rioters who had been driven back from barrier 14 or

11 barrier 12 then diverted their attention to Abbey Taxis

12 after word had spread that there were soldiers there.

13 There next arise for consideration three separate

14 but related questions. Firstly: what was the situation

15 at barriers 12 and 14 in the ten minutes leading up to

16 the time when the soldiers went in? Secondly: to what

17 extent was there separation between rioters and marchers

18 before the soldiers went in? Thirdly: how did the

19 situation appear to Colonel Wilford and

20 Brigadier McClellan?

21 To answer the second question, the extent of

22 separation, it is of course necessary to look to the

23 position beyond the immediate position at the barriers

24 and also to know how far the paratroopers were going to

25 go into the Bogside. May we have on the screen W126.


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1 The position on the ground as reported to brigade can be

2 discerned by looking at the transcript of the Porter

3 tape which has set out extensively, both in our

4 submissions and those of others, the material is

5 extremely detailed and not easily summarised. It is

6 perhaps convenient however in order to illustrate the

7 issue to take the message from Lieutenant Colonel Welsh

8 in the helicopter at serial 338 at about 1554:

9 "Zero, this is 61 Yankee. General state of the

10 crowd. It now stretches between Aggro Corner which has

11 just had some more gas put on it, down to about

12 100 yards beyond the flats. People are generally

13 spreading out and the drift of people is definitely down

14 to beyond the flats and back the way they came."

15 The Tribunal may agree with the comment by the

16 Aitken team that in the light of serial 338 and its

17 reference to a crowd stretching from Aggro Corner to

18 about 100 yards beyond the flats, it was unsurprising

19 Brigadier McClellan should not immediately have

20 responded positively to Colonel Wilford's imitation for

21 orders. Further, if the evidence of Dr Stephen Bell at

22 her Majesty's Nautical Office as to the timing of the

23 EP28 photographs is correct, at the time when serial 338

24 was transmitted, 1544, the scene was as in, may we have

25 it on the screen, EP28.1, although that photograph, it


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1 is right to say, could have been either as late as 1559

2 or, as early as 1549.

3 The question is whether the information coming in

4 thereafter was sufficient to indicate that separation

5 had occurred. May we have on the screen W127. The next

6 message from Lieutenant Colonel Welsh at serial 348,

7 this is Kilo 61 Yankee. "General crowd movement now is

8 down into the Lecky Road from the area of the flats. It

9 seems as though a lot of people feel they have made

10 their protest and are now returning back to their

11 homes."

12 This message, which was heavily relied on as

13 indicating separation is clear, but the Tribunal may

14 think that whilst it does indicate, as it says, the

15 general movement of the crowd and is one of a series

16 consisting of serials 320 and 329, it does not indicate

17 the spread of the crowd, that is to say where it started

18 and where it ended and how many were still around

19 between Aggro Corner and the Rossville Flats.

20 Lieutenant Colonel Steele said that serial 348, at which

21 we are now looking, and the absence of any description

22 of crowds at Aggro Corner or in the wasteground painted

23 a picture for him, I quote "that the march was over and

24 that people had moved away from behind the flats."

25 The Tribunal may think that there arises for


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1 consideration, whether brigade sought or received

2 a sufficiently clear indication of separation and

3 whether it was satisfactory for Brigadier McClellan to

4 proceed on a confirmation from Colonel Welsh that

5 separation had taken place which was based on messages

6 on the Ulsternet that Brigadier McClellan could hear

7 himself and was not based on asking Colonel Welsh

8 specifically what was the position between Aggro Corner

9 and the Rossville Flats. The Tribunal will bear in mind

10 in this connection that the evidence of Colonel Welsh

11 and Brigadier McClellan to Lord Widgery was that there

12 was another message from the helicopter not recorded in

13 the brigade log, but at 1604, that the tail of the crowd

14 had passed the northern edge of the flats.

15 There is no such message on the Porter tape. What

16 there is, may we have W128, is a message at 1603 or 4

17 from 22LAD, whose log this is:

18 "Hello zero, this is 90 Alpha. There is a crowd of

19 500 on Fox's Corner being addressed from a loudspeaker

20 van. These appear to be normal civil rights people.

21 There is still a crowd of about 150 hooligans at the

22 junction Rossville Street/William Street, over."

23 Looked at from the opposite angle the Tribunal might

24 take the view that the drift of the messages coming in

25 was that people were moving away, that those messages


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1 and the absence of people to the north of the

2 Rossville Flats, coupled with the fact that there was

3 a delay of time between serial 348 at 1559 and the

4 giving of the order at or before 1607, meant that

5 Brigadier McClellan could take the view that adequate

6 separation had been achieved for the operation to be

7 launched.

8 As to the position at barriers 12 and 14 when the

9 order was given, the evidence is not entirely clear and

10 the numbers will undoubtedly differ according to whether

11 you take the time before the Paras began to line up at

12 the barrier or the very moment when they came in or

13 somewhere in between. At 1550 serial 326 had reported

14 Little James Street to be clear, but it may not have

15 remained so. At 1602 there was still a hooligan element

16 in the area William Street/Little James Street and in

17 front of barrier 14, that is serials 353 to 359. At

18 1604 there was a crowd of about 150 hooligans at

19 Aggro Corner, that is serial 365.

20 There is civilian evidence from Father Mulvey and

21 Mr Porter of seeing William Street either empty or

22 almost empty at about 1600, father Mulvey looking from

23 the cathedral, and Mr Porter from his shop, but there

24 may have been a crowd at the top of Chamberlain who

25 Mr Porter would not have been able to see who may have


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1 retreated there after the water cannon was used at

2 barrier 14 a second time at 1605. But there is also

3 evidence of there being as many as 100 present at

4 barrier 14 when the soldiers started to open the barrier

5 or at low as ten. We set out the respective evidence in

6 our submission.

7 As to what the actual position from Aggro Corner

8 southwards was when the Paras went in, the Tribunal may

9 think that one of the best guides comes from looking,

10 may we have EP28.45, on the one hand and EP28.5. These

11 photographs were, according to Dr Bell, taken at some

12 time between approximately 1610 and 1612 and they show

13 a sizeable body of people who self-evidently must have

14 been further north when the Paras came in.

15 The Tribunal might find it helpful to look at those

16 photographs and also the heli-tele video and the prints

17 of it, see for instance, may we have on the screen

18 EP29.25. May we scroll through, 25, 24, 23, 22 and 21,

19 which are difficult to make out, but appear to show that

20 whilst Rossville Street itself is largely empty when the

21 first two Pigs came in, nevertheless, the first Pig

22 scatters a fair number of civilians as it progresses

23 towards the back of Chamberlain Street. One of the

24 questions is: where did these people come from and were

25 they all people who had previously been rioting?


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1 One of the most controversial questions that the

2 Tribunal needs to address is whether Brigadier McClellan

3 gave any order and, if so, what it was. As to that,

4 I venture to suggest that there is little room for the

5 proposition that an order was given, but not by the

6 secure means. Those who say that an order was given say

7 that it was given by the secure means. If it was given

8 otherwise, the only realistic candidate for the means of

9 transmission was the brigade net, in which case it could

10 be expected to appear on the Porter tape, which it does

11 not. So the question whether there was any order given

12 and whether there was a secure means are closely linked.

13 If no order of any given was given to 1 Para and

14 there was no secure means, it would mean the evidence of

15 Brigadier McClellan, Colonel Steele and Colonel Wilford,

16 both to Lord Widgery and this Inquiry is completely

17 false and must at all times have been known to be so.

18 It would secondly mean the brigade log contains a wholly

19 fake entry which Lieutenant Colonel Steele caused to be

20 inserted into the log knowing it was fake. Thirdly it

21 would mean the log of 1 Para contains an equally fake

22 entry, but in different and bafflingly obscure terms.

23 Fourthly it would mean that the evidence of Captain

24 INQ2033, the battalion's signal's officer and Captain

25 INQ1853, both of whom were in the Gin Palace and INQ2006


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1 who said he was manning the secure net about the

2 existence of the BID 150 equipment is also false and

3 must have been known to be so.

4 INQ2033 thought he used the equipment some three or

5 four times to send sitreps although he described that as

6 a guesstimate that was perhaps inaccurate. There was

7 evidence including his own for relevant encryption cards

8 were picked up in Londonderry. INQ1853 gave clear

9 evidence as to its existence and use. There was also

10 evidence as to the existence of the secure net from

11 INQ2090. He was then a lieutenant in the 8th Brigade

12 headquarters and signal squadron and he said he thought

13 there were five of such units in use on Bloody Sunday

14 and had a clear recollection of there being a BID 150

15 system available to brigade on that day.

16 It would also mean 1 Para, having waited impatiently

17 for orders, then went in of their own accord, but no-one

18 apparently said anything on the radio complaining that

19 they had done so. It would lastly mean that a series of

20 subsequent messages recorded by Mr Porter were sent both

21 to and by brigade, recognising or reporting that 1 Para

22 have gone in without anyone at brigade raising any query

23 or any complaint. The Tribunal will wish to consider

24 whether the messages sent by Lieutenant Colonel Steele

25 after 1609 are consistent with him never having given


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1 any order to go in at all.

2 May we have on the screen W47. If an order was

3 given the critical question is whether the order was

4 exactly as stated in the logbook, "orders given to

5 1 Para at 1607 hours for one sub-unit of 1 Para to do

6 scoop-up OP through barrier 14. Not to conduct running

7 battle down Rossville Street" or whether the order was

8 in substance to launch the arrest operation, to arrest

9 as many rioters as possible in the area of

10 William Street and Rossville Street with one company to

11 go through barrier 14. The controversy has arisen

12 because the terms of the order appear quite clear in the

13 log which one could expect accurately to record the

14 single most important order of the day.

15 Secondly, the order was preceded by and appears to

16 be directly responsive to serial 343, may we have W127,

17 which provides the message "he would like to deploy one

18 of his sub-units through barrier 14 around the back into

19 the area William Street/Little James Street."

20 In our submissions we set out at some length the

21 evidence both before Lord Widgery and this Tribunal from

22 those principally concerned, General McClellan, Steele,

23 and INQ1900, the deputy assistant adjutant who did not

24 give evidence in 1972, but who said he heard the brigade

25 major communicate the order to the watchkeeper, INQ901,


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1 that the orders for the scoop-up operation had been

2 given and saw him making a scooping movement with his

3 hands which he demonstrated when giving evidence before

4 the Tribunal. The resolution of this question depends

5 on firstly the view that the Tribunal takes of the

6 evidence of those individuals, particularly

7 Brigadier McClellan, and the significance that the

8 Tribunal attaches to what appears in the documents.

9 Thirdly, as to whether or not it would make any sense to

10 send only one company in.

11 The message presently on the screen that

12 Colonel Wilford would like to deploy one of his

13 sub-units through barrier 14 is ambiguous. It could

14 mean he is only asking for authority to move one

15 sub-unit or he is simply telling brigade he has it in

16 mind to deploy one of his sub-units, note the plural,

17 through barrier 14, without meaning that is the only

18 sub-unit he is to deploy. May we have on the screen

19 W90. As the Tribunal knows, there is a puzzling entry

20 in the 1 Para log at 1610:

21 "Move three now through K14. Also call sign one, no

22 running battles."

23 It is possible call sign 1 could be a mistake for

24 call sign 5 or it could be correct and call sign 5 has

25 been mistakenly submitted. At any rate it refers to two


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1 companies. Subsequent messages on the Ulsternet clearly

2 indicate more than one sub-unit has entered the Bogside.

3 As I said, no surprise is expressed by brigade at this

4 message. Although there are passages in

5 Brigadier McClellan's evidence which tend to suggest he

6 may have thought more than one unit had gone in because

7 there had been firing. It is also to be noted, if we

8 may go back to W123, that before 1607, if one looks for

9 instance at serial 286, 22 LAD was being asked to be

10 prepared to lift barriers 12 and 14 and, if we may look

11 at W124 at serial 294, was being asked to be prepared

12 for movement through serials 12, 14 and 16, which would

13 appear to indicate to brigade that movement from more

14 than one barrier was contemplated.

15 The Tribunal will also need to take into account

16 what is best summarised by what appears, may we have the

17 transcript of this Inquiry, Day 265,

18 page 51.Brigadier McClellan In my last questioning of

19 Brigadier McClellan, I began in effect by saying this:

20 "The first question I would like to ask, is this: do

21 you or do you not accept that the likelihood is that the

22 order was as stated in the logbook two minutes after it

23 was given, that is to say for one sub-unit to go through

24 barrier 14 and not to conduct a running battle down

25 Rossville Street?


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1 "Answer: The question being: do I accept that?

2 "Question: Do you accept the likelihood that that

3 was the very order that you gave?

4 "Answer: I think that was the order that the

5 Brigade Major gave.

6 "Question: It would follow from that, would it not,

7 that that order was in fact disobeyed in two ways:

8 firstly, more than one sub-unit went through into the

9 Bogside; that is right, is it not?

10 "Answer: Yes."

11 That passage which appears clear in terms is,

12 however, only the beginning of a lengthy series of

13 questions which we have set out in full in an appendix

14 to our submissions and which needs to be read as

15 a whole. Indeed, the Tribunal is invited to re-read the

16 whole of my concluding examination of

17 Brigadier McClellan, but the gist of which appears to be

18 that Brigadier McClellan would not have regarded it as

19 inconsistent with his order if troops had come through

20 barrier 12 as one end of the pincer movement to catch

21 rioters who were being assailed by troops who had come

22 up from barrier 14 to Aggro Corner in accordance with

23 his order. This would indeed be a scoop-up operation.

24 The same passage indicates he did regard it as a breach

25 of his order, that the troops went as far as they did


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1 down towards the flats. Brigadier McClellan The

2 Tribunal will have to decide whether or not, faced by

3 the points that I have been putting to him,

4 Brigadier McClellan was driven rightly to confess, as

5 Mr Arthur Harry would have it, the error of his former

6 testimony or whether that which he said at the time was

7 in substance correct, and should be preferred. In doing

8 so it will note the following passage, may we have

9 Day 265, page 48, in which, at line 17 on page 48,

10 Mr Glasgow said this:

11 "General, sorry I have taken too long let me ask you

12 this: if what was done on Bloody Sunday by 1 Para was

13 a breach of the order you believed you had given when

14 did you first come to the conclusion that your order had

15 been broken, if you did?

16 "Answer: I do not think I did until comparatively

17 recently when we went through it in great detail with

18 Mr Clarke's questioning."

19 The injunction not to conduct a running battle down

20 Rossville Street is ambiguous. It appears to have been

21 differently interpreted, sometimes by the same person at

22 different stages of his evidence. It could amount to

23 going down beyond the Rossville Flats and up to Free

24 Derry Corner. That is how, in 1972, Colonel Wilford and

25 Colonel Steele said that they interpreted it and how, in


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1 his written evidence to Lord Widgery,

2 Brigadier McClellan appears to have interpreted it. It

3 could mean a limitation to staying pretty close to

4 William Street as Colonel Steele at one point in his

5 evidence to Lord Saville appears to have agreed and as

6 Brigadier McClellan in his evidence agreed was what is

7 meant, his position being that going down to

8 Rossville Flats was, "obviously in breach of the

9 geographical restriction I had placed on the operation."

10 The Tribunal may think it possible that Brigadier

11 McClellan intended and expected a quick in and out

12 operation with one company coming in from barrier 14 and

13 pinching rioters against barriers 12 and 13 or possibly

14 another company in that area. Secondly, that the

15 wording he used to Lieutenant Colonel Steele and that

16 Lieutenant Colonel Steele used to 1 Para was such as to

17 convey to 1 Para that they could start the operation

18 with one company going through barrier 14 as they had

19 previously requested. That this order signified to

20 1 Para that they could start the operation as they had

21 by then planned it, that is to say to drive-in to what

22 was at that stage an undetermined extent into the

23 Bogside, that the order did not in terms limit 1 Para to

24 using only one or two companies and that the injunction

25 not to conduct a running battle down Rossville Street


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1 meant one thing to Brigadier McClellan and another to

2 Colonel Wilford.

3 The Tribunal may also feel that this sort of

4 situation, where the person giving the order means one

5 thing and the recipient another is inherently likely to

6 arise if the operation is to be launched by someone

7 other than the person who planned it, if the giver of

8 the order has not discussed the plan in any detail

9 before the day with those to whom the order has been

10 given, and thirdly he has been told very little about

11 1 Para's developing plans thereafter and the order

12 itself is imprecise.

13 In the event 1 Para went into the Bogside in

14 circumstances that, from a command and control point of

15 view, the Tribunal may have found surprising.

16 Brigadier McClellan had no idea of the detailed plan.

17 He had not known of the plan to go over the church. He

18 was not told of the change of that plan. He thought

19 that the Paras were going in on foot and would have gone

20 through barrier 14 and turned north to trap rioters

21 against barrier 12. He did not know, nor did Colonel

22 Steele, that ten vehicles were going south or that

23 soldiers would go as far south as the Kells Walk wall.

24 A portion of our general submission on Sector 1

25 deals with the reporting of Operation Forecast. The


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1 Tribunal might take the view that the reporting of

2 events was far from satisfactory. May we have on the

3 screen W129. As the Tribunal will recall, at serial

4 383, 1 Para reported "Our call sign Bravo 3 has moved

5 through barrier 14 to the junction Rossville

6 Street/William Street. Our call sign Bravo 5 has moved

7 down south to the area of William Street."

8 Then a little later "Our call sign Bravo 3 has moved

9 south down Strand Road into William Street past barrier

10 14 and is at the junction of Rossville Street/William

11 Street. Our call sign Bravo 59 has moved down south

12 through the church to the area of William Street,

13 directly south of the church."

14 Although the Lawton team dispute this, it seems

15 clear this message was sent after the Pigs had gone

16 through the barrier and the information appears to be

17 simply wrong, since they had not moved through the

18 church to the area of William Street directly south of

19 it. As I have indicated already, brigade was given very

20 little idea of what was going on. It is right, however,

21 to point out that the principal shooting may have lasted

22 for as little as six minutes, from 1612 to 1618,

23 according to Brigadier McClellan's draft statement for

24 Lord Widgery at paragraph 34 and, to the extent that

25 1 Para was met with fire, it can scarcely be criticised


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1 for being uninformative.

2 The 1 Para log itself is sketchy. The timings

3 cannot be relied on, being all at five-minute intervals

4 for several entries for exactly the same time. They

5 were not intended as and are no use as an historical

6 record and there is some evidence that what we have is

7 a typed-up copy of the so-called battle log compiled by

8 the officers and not the signallers' logs into which all

9 communications were entered.

10 The Tribunal will find in the latter half of our

11 general submission a summary of the reporting during the

12 course of the day, according to their respective logs by

13 1 Para, 22 LAD and one RAR. The exercise endeavours to

14 identify the earliest report of an incident, for example

15 from 11th battery of 22 LAD to the LAD operations room

16 and then the subsequent reporting to brigade. This

17 exercise, which is quite complicated and involves tying

18 in a sizeable number of references in different sources

19 indicates there were a series of shots, about 21 in all,

20 directed against the Army which are well and

21 consistently vouched in the log. For example, one shot

22 at the Embassy Ballroom at 1611; two shots at the city

23 walls, 1614; four shots at the Bogside Inn towards the

24 walls about 1617 with two shots returned and a man seen

25 to fall, et cetera.


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1 There are two points that arise on this. Firstly,

2 most of the firing at the Army is unaccounted for, with

3 the exception that some of the firing must be

4 attributable to Red Mickey Doherty. The Tribunal simply

5 has no explanation of who the people who fired were.

6 Secondly, the firing by the soldiers is identifiable

7 as that of soldiers AD, Y, X, AC, AA, AB and Z, I put

8 them in that order because that appears to be the order

9 in which they fired.

10 The quality of that record, tying in as it does with

11 the contemporaneous statements of the soldier witnesses

12 to whom it relates, stands in a degree of contrast to

13 the reporting of 1 Para, which is, at least on the

14 material that we have, very limited.

15 So far as reporting in the middle of things is

16 concerned from 1 Para, according to his 1972 evidence,

17 Major Loden heard the shot that hit the church, the

18 shots of A and B or some of them and saw someone being

19 dragged away and recalled it being reported to him by

20 the platoon commander of the Machine-Gun Platoon on the

21 forward radio link that soldiers of that platoon had

22 shot at a nail bomber. For reasons that are not clear,

23 this does not seem to have been reported to battalion,

24 certainly nothing appears about it in the battalion log

25 and a fortiori, was not reported to brigade.


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1 Apart from that, so far as I can tell, the

2 references to reporting whilst events were going on is

3 limited in the record that we have, as follows: may we

4 have on the screen B1,621.005, paragraph 39.

5 This is a statement of Corporal 033, who was in

6 Support Company signals detachment. He describes how he

7 sent a contact report " ... saying that we had come

8 under fire. It would have been little more than

9 'contact, wait out'" and the fire that he is talking

10 about was hearing a Thompson machine-gun. From the

11 other end, if we may have C720.3, Sergeant INQ720, in

12 the Gin Palace, records at paragraph 14 that he recalled

13 "one particular report which came into the Gin Palace,

14 sent by Lance Corporal Soldier 033 whose voice he

15 recognised, whose message was "contact, wait, over."

16 If you go to W90, at 1615, there is a reference to

17 "Gunman. Pistol. Returned fire." Thereafter the next

18 message is 1630. So, perhaps because of the exigencies

19 of the situation, we have no, so far as I am aware, no

20 other records of reporting during the critical moments.

21 What we do have, at W132, at serials 441 to 444, is

22 a report, at about 1620 to 1626, which can be summarised

23 in relation to serial 444:

24 "Hello Zero, this is 65. Sitrep boils down to the

25 fact that the two sub-units moved in, got involved in


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1 a firefight, the shots appearing to have come from the

2 area of the Rossville Flats."

3 The Tribunal will obviously wish to take into

4 account that message and the previous ones when

5 evaluating the suggestion that there was no fire

6 whatever at the units of 1 Para.

7 It is apparent from what I have been saying that the

8 information that was being given to the Gin Palace and

9 by them to brigade was very limited. It did not even

10 include the fact that there were three bodies, not two

11 that were picked up by the Army from the rubble

12 barricade and not as appeared to be stated from

13 Chamberlain Street. Nor is there reporting of the

14 removal of Michael Kelly's body from the barricade or

15 the shooting of Hugh Gilmore, although it seemed likely

16 both of these were, like the deaths of those at the

17 barricade, visible from the armoured control vehicle.

18 Whether and to what extent this lack of reporting

19 can be explained by the exigencies of the engagement or

20 the need in its aftermath to confine communications to

21 operational matters such as ammunition states and

22 military casualties is in part dependent on what

23 conclusions the Tribunal reaches as to the nature of any

24 engagement there may have been. The Tribunal may think

25 there is force in the suggestion that the paucity of


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1 information supplied, either at or shortly after the

2 time of the events in question is surprising. There is

3 in particular a difficulty in accounting for what

4 happened on the part of Major Loden.

5 Obviously no commander can be expected to be aware

6 of everything that goes on and shortly after his command

7 vehicle came to a halt he and his radio operators, on

8 his evidence, began to carry out arrests. But at some

9 stage he was back in his vehicle, in front of which,

10 before it turned into the lee of the flats four people

11 died at or close to the rubble barricade and two not far

12 from there, quite apart from those shot in the car park

13 of the Rossville Flats.

14 Video 48 also shows a large body of men who would

15 seem to be from the Anti-Tank Platoon going round the

16 wall at Kells Walk and moving off towards

17 Glenfada Park North at a time before Major Loden's

18 vehicle had moved. Major Loden is unable to account for

19 any of those deaths, nor does he now recall seeing the

20 movements of that body of men. It is possible that he

21 missed some of those events. It seems a little unlikely

22 that he missed all of them.

23 I turn now, if I may, to the shooting incidents in

24 Sector 1. There can now be no doubt that before the

25 Army moved into the Bogside, two events occurred.


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1 Firstly, soldiers A and B had shot from the Abbey taxi

2 building, between them wounding Damien Donaghy and

3 John Johnston. Secondly, OIRA 1 had fired from

4 Columbcille Court, a shot that may have been the one

5 that hit the drainpipe of the church and after he had

6 done so, he was involved in some form of altercation as

7 he came down from Columbcille Court. In addition, there

8 is military evidence of firing at soldiers at or near

9 barriers 12 and 13 and civilian evidence of other firing

10 and of men seen with weapons.

11 The Tribunal will wish to consider, firstly whether

12 the shot that OIRA 1 fired was the shot that hit the

13 drainpipe of the church. Secondly, and in any event how

14 it came about that he was in a position to fire a shot

15 from Columbcille Court, how did the weapon come to be

16 there and why did he on his account go there to collect

17 it in the afternoon of 30th January.

18 Thirdly, it will want to consider whether, as OIRA 1

19 and OIRA 2 contend, OIRA 1 only fired his shot after

20 Damien Donaghy had been wounded and at the soldier whom

21 he thought to be responsible or alternatively whether

22 OIRA 1 fired before A or B fired.

23 Next it will consider what effect if any did the

24 firing of this shot have on events. Lastly, what

25 happened to OIRA 1 and OIRA 2 and to the weapon after


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1 OIRA 1 had fired.

2 As to whether the drainpipe shot and OIRA 1 shot are

3 the same, a number of factors singularly and perhaps

4 even more so in combination, suggest that they are, but

5 in some cases there is a countervailing consideration.

6 Firstly, there is no evidence from the Army that there

7 was more than one shot that hit the church or anywhere

8 in the environ of the church. Secondly, it seems from

9 the photograph that the east side of the church could be

10 struck by a bullet fired from the place where OIRA 1 was

11 in Columbcille Court and also could be fired from the

12 Rossville Flats, in the same direction. Thirdly, OIRA 2

13 said that he believed OIRA 1's shot was possibly the one

14 that hit the side of the church. But OIRA 1's evidence

15 was that he was aiming at the line of buildings to the

16 west of the church which includes the Abbey Taxis

17 building and that he was not aware of hitting the

18 drainpipe. When he gave oral evidence he conceded the

19 possibility that his shot could have hit the drainpipe

20 but he confirmed his target was soldiers on the

21 left-hand side of the church as he looked at it.

22 Fourthly, although several of the soldiers thought

23 that the drainpipe shots came from the Rossville Flats,

24 or at any rate from that direction, the corner of

25 Columbcille Court where OIRA 1 was and the


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1 Rossville Flats are not far apart. It might seem

2 unlikely that it would have been possible to distinguish

3 with any accuracy whether the shot came from the one or

4 the other.

5 As to the sequence in which the drainpipe shot and

6 the A and B shots were fired, there was a very large

7 amount of military evidence that the drainpipe shot was

8 fired, but very little evidence in volume as to whether

9 it was fired before or after the shots from A and B that

10 wounded Damien Donaghy and John Johnston. In

11 particular, there is no contemporaneous report of the

12 shot in any of the Army logs or any of the transcripts

13 of radio messages. Secondly, very few soldiers claim to

14 have heard both sets of shots. Those soldiers who say

15 they heard both sets of firing, Major Loden, Captain 200

16 and Soldier A, say, and in the former two cases with

17 some vigour, and they said so in 1972 that the drainpipe

18 shot came first. That evidence is cited by the Lawton

19 and Aitken teams in their submissions.

20 The evidence of Soldier A to this Tribunal was that

21 he either heard or was told of a shot or possibly two

22 shots before he moved off to the derelict building.

23 That evidence the Tribunal may think must be treated

24 with some caution because his recollection was over

25 30 years later. He made no reference to an earlier shot


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1 in 1972 and that timing would put the shot at something

2 like 1540. Sir, I wonder whether that might be

3 a convenient moment.

4 LORD SAVILLE: Yes, we will start again at 12.50, please.

5 (12.05 pm)

6 (The Short Adjournment)

7 (12.50 pm)

8 MR CLARKE: I was coming to the civilian evidence in

9 relation to the drainpipe shot. There does not appear

10 to be any civilian who recalls hearing both the shots of

11 A and B and the civilian fire, with the possible

12 exception of Frank Hone, the relevant passage of whose

13 NICRA statement, about which he has now no recollection,

14 is cited at the Lawton team's submissions C6, 140, which

15 may indicate that the drainpipe shot followed those of

16 Soldiers A and B.

17 The Lawton team cite, at chapter C, G123, evidence

18 of a number of witnesses, of an early single isolated

19 shot, described by most of them as coming southwards

20 from a soldier on the north side of William Street which

21 caused no reaction amongst the crowd and, therefore, it

22 is suggested, could not be a shot that injured either

23 Donaghy or Johnston.

24 The Aitken team at chapter 6, paragraphs 108 and

25 following, cite further passages from evidence which


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1 they suggest indicates that the drainpipe shot came

2 first. The reliance is also placed by them on the fact

3 that although there are a number of witnesses who saw or

4 heard Damien Donaghy and John Johnston shot or the

5 immediate aftermath of that, these witnesses do not

6 speak of a shot being fired in retaliation shortly

7 afterwards.

8 PIRA 1 gave evidence of the altercation that

9 occurred between OIRA 1 and OIRA 2 and Provisionals

10 after OIRA 1 had fired. His recollection was that

11 OIRA 1 defended his decision to fire by saying that the

12 Army had already shot two people. Evidence that OIRA 1

13 had fired after the Army is also provided by OIRA 7, who

14 claimed to have heard two men had been shot and then to

15 have heard a rifle shot fired from somewhere near him as

16 he stood in Columbcille Court. He said he had not heard

17 any shots before that rifle shot. His evidence was that

18 he went to a stairwell which he identified as being

19 halfway down the eastern side of the eastern-most

20 building of Columbcille Court in his statement, but

21 which in oral evidence he thought could have been at the

22 northern end of the building and witnessed an

23 altercation between OIRA 1 and OIRA 2, one armed with

24 a rifle, and a crowd.

25 The Tribunal will want to consider the submissions


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1 made by the Lawton team at chapter 6G 112-118 by

2 reference to the evidence of OIRA 1, which suggests,

3 they submit, that he must have arrived at the second

4 floor of Columbcille Court when the front of the march

5 was in William Street and before Donaghy and Johnston

6 were shot. In that case, they say, he would have been

7 able to see the rioting, the two being shot and tended

8 to and being carried to Mrs Shiels's house. The

9 submission is that OIRA 1 did not, on his own evidence

10 see any of these because, they suggest, he had already

11 fired his shot before then.

12 I want to say something about the defence and

13 retaliation policy. If the OIRA policy had been that no

14 shot should be fired, except at a soldier who had fired

15 at a civilian, that policy might have lent support to

16 a conclusion that the drainpipe shot followed the firing

17 at Damien Donaghy, but the evidence shows that OIRA's

18 so-called defence and retaliation policy would "justify"

19 the shooting of British soldiers on the streets of Derry

20 just because they were there. See for instance the

21 passage from OIRA 2's evidence cited at 6G10 of the

22 Lawton team final submissions:

23 "Attacks on members of the British Armed Forces

24 could clearly be seen as part of a defence and

25 retaliation strategy just because of the very fact that


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1 they happened to be present, although there was some

2 evidence that there was some form of revised form of

3 standing order on Bloody Sunday whereby Officials should

4 only open fire on the Army if they were shot at first,

5 if the Army had shot at other civilians and in any case

6 never to open fire in a crowd situation."

7 As to how OIRA 1 came to fire, the Tribunal is faced

8 with a stark conflict of evidence as to how it came

9 about that OIRA 1 fired, as he accepts that he did,

10 a shot from the wooden slats around the washing area at

11 the northeast area of Columbcille Court. He identified

12 the spot as being at third floor level, at the top of

13 the steps at the northeast corner of Columbcille Court

14 between the wooden horizontal planks that can be seen in

15 the various photographs.

16 The account given by OIRA 1 and OIRA 2 is to the

17 effect that they went to Columbcille Court in order to

18 retrieve a 303 rifle with a defective sight which they

19 previously sought to recover on Saturday, 29th. OIRA 1

20 retrieved it from a dump on the ground floor, then went

21 up to the top floor from which the shot was fired. The

22 gun was then placed back in the boot of the car.

23 The document known as PIN437 -- perhaps we could

24 have on the screen, AOIRA 1.1 -- contains a radically

25 different account to the effect that OIRA 1 and OIRA 2


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1 had organised a counter-sniping position behind the

2 white planks in advance. When they learnt that two boys

3 had been shot by the Army in William Street, they

4 collected the .303 from the car in Glenfada Park.

5 OIRA 1 fired at a soldier next to the Presbyterian

6 Church from Columbcille Court, at the third time that

7 the soldier put his head up. OIRA 2 told him he had hit

8 the soldiers.

9 When they were coming down the stairway afterwards,

10 there was an altercation with PIRAS 1 to 3 in which

11 PIRA 1 tried to grab the gun. OIRA 1 stuck it in his

12 stomach and threatened to shoot him and then agreed that

13 he would not fire again and was allowed to leave in

14 peace and the rifle was returned to the boot of the car

15 in Glenfada Park North.

16 OIRA 1 has denied this incident ever happened in

17 anything like the manner described. He said there was a

18 mixed and confused reaction when he came down after

19 firing, some people wanting them to continue to fire,

20 some wanting them to get away because the Army might

21 pinpoint the area and some horrified they fired in the

22 first place.

23 He says he never spoke to Mr Barry or Mr Kemp of the

24 Sunday Telegraph. The Aitken team submit this account

25 firstly was indeed given to Mr Barry and is broadly


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1 correct, save it falsely asserts the shooting took place

2 after Damien Donaghy had been shot. The Tribunal will

3 obviously wish to consider the possibility that it was

4 wholly correct.

5 In deciding where the truth lies, the Tribunal will

6 no doubt take into account firstly whatever view it has

7 as to the credibility of Mr Barry, who is the author --

8 his initials appear in the top right-hand corner of

9 PIN437 -- AOIRA 1.1.

10 Secondly, the likelihood of Mr Barry, or indeed

11 anybody else, faking the account in PIN437, or of

12 Mr Kemp faking the account that appeared in the

13 Sunday Telegraph, and of both of them getting the

14 location from which OIRA 1 fired correct although,

15 according to his evidence, OIRA 1 had never spoken to

16 either journalist.

17 Thirdly, the similarity of the two accounts, and the

18 likelihood of two journalists from different newspapers

19 fabricating either collusively or independently

20 a similar story.

21 Fourthly, the fact that OIRA 1 refers to the car in

22 which the rifle was put as being possibly a green

23 Avenger, which ties in with the evidence of Anthony

24 Martin to the Sunday Times, to the effect that he met

25 a man who said there were two rifles in a green Avenger


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1 in Glenfada Park and that he wanted help to get them.

2 OIRA 7 thought that he might have been that man.

3 Fifthly, the fact that the altercation between

4 PIRA 1 and OIRA 1 was largely accepted to be true by

5 PIRA 1, although repudiated by OIRA 1. Sixthly, the

6 fact that Reg Tester, in March 1972, gave to Peter

7 Pringle and Philip Jacobsen an account of the firing by

8 OIRA 1, which was essentially similar to that which

9 appears in PIN437 and may be found in their drafts, S34

10 to 35.

11 Seventhly, whatever view it has to the credibility

12 of OIRA 1 and OIRA 2 and of the account they gave as to

13 their movements and actions.

14 Eighthly, the view that he takes of the Lawton team

15 submissions, reduced to the barest essentials those are

16 that it is implausible that OIRA 1 and 2 should have

17 failed in breach of orders to collect the rifle on the

18 evening before or the morning of the march, when fewer

19 soldiers were in the area and chosen instead to remove

20 a defective weapon from a safe dump in daylight at

21 a time when there were a lot of soldiers in the city.

22 Secondly, the explanations given as to whether and

23 why it was necessary to remove the weapon were

24 inconsistent.

25 Thirdly, a weapon would not be left with ammunition


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1 unless it was intended to be used quickly from the place

2 where it was stored.

3 Fourthly, there is no reliable evidence that the

4 weapon was defective.

5 Fifthly, OIRA 1 must have been chosen because he was

6 a good shot.

7 Sixth, that there was no reason for going to the top

8 except to snipe at the army.

9 Seventh, the failure to dismantle the weapon

10 immediately shows it was always intended to be fired.

11 Those are to be contrasted with the OIRA 1

12 submissions, which, in brief summary, were: there is no

13 compelling evidence that suggest that OIRA 1 and 2

14 should have departed from the command staffs' plans not

15 to take any action and the Tribunal should therefore

16 accept that they were in Columbcille Court to recover

17 a weapon.

18 Secondly, the claim that AOIRA 1 and 2 were unable

19 to recover the weapon on Saturday evening is

20 corroborated by the shooting of two individuals, taken

21 to be Peter Robson and Peter McLaughlin on that Saturday

22 evening.

23 The submission would appear to be factually

24 incorrect. Peter McLaughlin placed the time of the

25 shooting at lunchtime and Peter Robson placed it between


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1 3.00 and 4.00. The transcript of the Army log at W19

2 records two shots being fired at a bomber in

3 William Street at 1552 hours.

4 Next, that OIRA 1's recollection of the site being

5 damaged is more likely to be reliable, since he handled

6 the weapon, than that of Reg Tester, who could not

7 recall the rifle being defective.

8 Fourthly, the Columbcille Court landing was

9 unsuitable as a sniping position and so not one that

10 would have been chosen for the planned attack.

11 Lastly, the factual inaccuracies within 437, such as

12 the allegation that OIRA 1 was related to Michael Kelly,

13 indicate that the document reflects material obtained

14 from a number of different sources.

15 Turn now to the shooting of Damien Donaghy and John

16 Johnston. It is theoretically possible that these two

17 were shot by soldiers other than Soldier A and Soldier

18 B, but the Tribunal may think it overwhelmingly probable

19 that none or both of these two were responsible for

20 their injuries.

21 The issues that arise from this shooting include the

22 following: firstly, when did the shooting take place and

23 what was the position of the march at the time?

24 Secondly, to what extent had the soldiers of the

25 Machine-Gun Platoon been subject to stone-throwing or


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1 worse? In particular, had someone thrown a nail bomb or

2 bombs or fired at them before the two were shot?

3 Thirdly, when they fired, did A and B believe that

4 they were under threat from a nail bomber?

5 Fourthly, were they in fact under such a threat and

6 if so, did it emanate from either Damien Donaghy or

7 John Johnston?

8 Fifthly, if they were under the mistaken belief that

9 they were under threat, were there any reasonable

10 grounds for it?

11 Sixthly, what were Damien Donaghy and John Johnston

12 doing before they were shot?

13 Sixthly(sic) was Damien Donaghy or John Johnston the

14 intended target of A or B?

15 Lastly, was there another victim in addition to the

16 two of them?

17 Damien Donaghy was shot in the front right thigh.

18 John Johnston was shot in the lateral aspect of the

19 right thigh or the right leg near the hip, as he put it,

20 and the left shoulder, although a medical report wrongly

21 says the right, and the back of his right hand. There

22 is, however, evidence from Dr McClean that the wound on

23 his thigh was to the inner aspect.

24 The Shepherd and O'Callaghan conclusion is that the

25 bullet or bullets that struck Mr Johnston may have been


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1 fragmented before impact.

2 In his oral testimony, Mr O'Callaghan gave his

3 opinion that such fragmentation would be caused by

4 hitting a hard surface at an angle of more than

5 20 degrees and would become more likely if the surface

6 was rough. It would seem in the light of that evidence

7 Mr Johnston may well have been struck in several places

8 by flying fragments of a bullet or bullets that had

9 already struck a hard surface beforehand.

10 The gist of Damien Donaghy's evidence to this

11 Tribunal was that contrary to what he had previously and

12 untruthfully said in his written statement to the

13 Tribunal and to others before them, he was one of a

14 group of boys who had been throwing stones and bottles

15 at soldiers at the ground floor of Abbey Taxis, but was

16 not doing so at the time that he was shot.

17 Just before he was shot he took a few steps towards

18 a rubber bullet, one of two fired, that had ricocheted

19 off the wall not far from where he was at the northeast

20 end of the laundry wasteground, and which he intended to

21 take as a souvenir. He took about three steps towards

22 the bullet when he was shot in the right leg. Whilst on

23 the ground he heard two gunshots, possibly about 10 to

24 20 seconds apart and was then carried to the Shiels'

25 house in Columbcille Court.


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1 The Tribunal may think it clear neither Damien

2 Donaghy nor John Johnston was engaged in throwing a nail

3 bomb. As to Damien Donaghy it has not been suggested

4 that he was and the description given of the nail bomber

5 by Soldier A does not resemble him. He also gave

6 evidence that his clothes be taken for examination and

7 nothing came of it.

8 As to Mr John Johnston, Lord Widgery, who heard him

9 give evidence, was satisfied that he was telling the

10 truth as he saw it when he said that stones were being

11 thrown but no firearms or bombs were being used against

12 the soldiers. It is inherently implausible that he

13 should have been engaged in unlawful activity and no-one

14 has ever suggested that he was.

15 There is a body of evidence set out at length in

16 Madden & Finucane's final submissions from chapter

17 16.5.4 onwards, some of which comes from persons of

18 particular responsibility. Patrick Carlin, for

19 instance, was an executive officer with the Customs,

20 Charles Mehan was a former RUC officer, Patrick O'Meenan

21 and Peter Mullan were teachers.

22 That evidence, reduced to the barest essentials,

23 gives the following account: youths had been throwing

24 stones at the soldiers in Abbey Taxis. The soldiers had

25 replied with rubber bullets. Before Damien Donaghy was


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1 shot there was a salvo of rubber bullets and a bullet or

2 bullets ricocheted off a wall and Damien Donaghy tried

3 to retrieve one. He was then shot in the leg. When he

4 was on the laundry wasteground, either just to the south

5 of the pavement or up to a third of a way down towards

6 the south of the ground, the evidence differing as to

7 whether he was at the Nook Bar gable end in the middle

8 of the wasteground or towards the east.

9 Shortly afterwards, John Johnston was shot. He was

10 further south than Damien Donaghy. No nail bombs were

11 thrown or exploded. If they had been thrown and

12 exploded, the explosions would have been heard and

13 recognised as such. The only bangs were the sound of

14 rubber bullets. No shot was heard to precede the

15 shooting of Damien Donaghy and John Johnston.

16 As I say, the evidence differs as to where Damien

17 Donaghy was shot and it will be for the Tribunal to

18 decide. In our submission, we considered at length all

19 the civilian evidence in relation to Damien Donaghy's

20 movement and submit the most compelling civilian

21 evidence is that it was at the northwest corner that he

22 fell.

23 By way only of example -- there are a number of

24 other witnesses to the same effect -- Patrick O'Meenan,

25 whom the Tribunal may think was an impressive witness,


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1 put him at the northeast gable wall of the Nook Bar at

2 the west end of the wasteground, which is the spot to

3 which A and B said that they fired and appears also to

4 be consistent with what Damien Donaghy is recorded as

5 telling the Sunday Times in 1972.

6 Exact timing of the incident is impossible, but

7 there is a body of evidence which suggests that the

8 shooting took place between 1550 and 1600. That is to

9 say, at a time consistent with the approximate timing of

10 1555 given by Major Loden in his Diary of Operations.

11 If that timing is correct, the likelihood is that

12 the majority of the march had passed the laundry

13 wasteground. But there was, according to a substantial

14 body of evidence, a considerable number of people

15 present in the vicinity of the wasteground, perhaps in

16 the hundreds, and at least 50 were close enough to have

17 seen on or other or both of the two men fall.

18 I turn to the question of what rioting there was

19 before the two were shot. There is a body of civilian

20 as well as military evidence that there was rioting in

21 the form of throwing of stones and the like directed

22 towards soldiers at the GPO sorting office, the

23 Presbyterian Church and Abbey Taxis. The inquiry has

24 had evidence from some six witnesses, including Damien

25 Donaghy himself, who stated that they themselves took


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1 part in stone-throwing specifically towards the soldiers

2 in Abbey Taxis.

3 The Tribunal also have evidence from about 35 or so

4 others who appear to have seen some level of disorder.

5 It seems from this body of evidence the situation of

6 those who were rioting was fluid, with stone throwers

7 moving towards Abbey Taxis and along and across

8 William Street and going back to the wasteground to the

9 south.

10 The evidence to the size and extent of the rioting

11 is not wholly easy to interpret, because there was

12 rioting directed towards Abbey Taxis and to a soldier or

13 soldiers on the GPO roof and to soldiers near the

14 church.

15 Father McIvor gave a figure of about 50 throwing

16 stones towards the GPO, others give lesser estimates and

17 the number rioting specifically towards Abbey Taxis

18 would probably have been less than the number of rioters

19 as a whole. The civilian evidence of stone throwing

20 directed there ranges from between four and 15.

21 Soldier A put the number of those stoning at Abbey

22 Taxis as between 20 and 30. Soldier B spoke of a crowd

23 of about 50. Some of that civilian evidence confirms

24 that what soldiers in Abbey Taxis would have seen was

25 objects, such as bits of stone or concrete or small


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1 pieces of building material going from the soldiers'

2 right to their left.

3 There is also a body of evidence from rioters or

4 those who witnessed rioting that some of the rioting

5 directed towards the soldiers in Abbey Taxis was going

6 on and live shots were fired. There is also evidence,

7 both from A and B and from civilians, that shortly

8 before the first live shots there was a sudden salvo of

9 rubber bullets, although Major Loden's Diary of

10 Operations only records the firing of four rubber

11 bullets by the Machine-Gun Platoon.

12 A central issue in this sector may be defined by

13 reference to the submissions of the interested parties.

14 M and F contend the soldiers of the Machine-Gun Platoon

15 were not subject to any attack by way of gunfire or nail

16 bombs but nothing done by anyone, posed or could be

17 thought to have posed a threat to those soldiers that

18 would justify shooting, that neither A nor B believed

19 they were subject to any such threat, either from Damien

20 Donaghy or Johnston, or anyone in their vicinity, and A

21 and/or B fired without any belief that either of the

22 two, or indeed anybody else, posed a threat which would

23 justify them. They then hit Damien Donaghy and

24 John Johnston but nobody else.

25 Soldiers A and B say, or have said in essence that


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1 they fired at and believed that they hit a man who was

2 about to light a nail bomb after two such devices had,

3 as they thought, already been thrown.

4 The Tribunal will want to consider whether this

5 account is so definite there is no room for concluding

6 that Damien Donaghy or someone close to him was doing

7 something which A and B mistakenly could genuinely

8 believe was a threat.

9 Both soldiers A and B gave evidence to this Inquiry,

10 but Soldier B had, for reasons which may be connected

11 with surgery he had had, no useful recollection of the

12 events. Both he and A resisted the suggestion they had

13 fired in panic to keep people who were throwing what

14 might be nail bombs back. There are, the Tribunal may

15 think, only a limited number of possibilities as to what

16 occurred.

17 They include the proposition that A and B fired

18 without any justification and then made up a story about

19 a nail bomber. It was put to A and denied by him that

20 he and/or B shot Damien Donaghy and John Johnston:

21 "... quite literally because you refused to allow

22 yourself to be categorised as an Aunt Sally or a crap

23 hat."

24 McCartney and Casey submit, although they did not

25 suggest as much to A:


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1 "The only rational explanation is that the shots

2 were designed to provoke a response from the IRA and

3 thereby to reinforce the justification for subsequent

4 aggressive action."

5 The second possibility is there was a nail bomber

6 whom A and B shot at but who was not Damien Donaghy or

7 John Johnston.

8 The third possibility is that A and B shot at

9 someone who may or may not have been Damien Donaghy, who

10 they mistakenly, but wrongly, believed to be a nail

11 bomber.

12 Lastly, A and B shot at someone who may or may not

13 have been Damien Donaghy, who appeared to be about to

14 throw something which might or might not have been

15 a nail bomb, after stones had already landed within the

16 building, and they were not going to take a chance.

17 There is a limit to what I can usefully say on the

18 issues at this point. There is an irreconcilable

19 divergence between the evidence of A and B and the

20 civilian evidence. The resolution of the issues to the

21 extent that that can be done must to a considerable

22 extent depend on the Tribunal's assessment of the

23 testimony of the witnesses. The significance of any of

24 what people did not see or hear and the inherent

25 probabilities.


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1 The Tribunal has received detailed submissions from

2 all concerned, which include, and our submissions add to

3 this corpus, an analysis of what can be gathered from

4 the evidence the Tribunal has heard or read over

5 30 years after the event from other members of the

6 platoon who were not called to give evidence in 1972.

7 The Inquiry has received evidence from all save two

8 of the then members of the platoon. Some of that

9 evidence is unhelpful or plainly wrong. Three of the

10 soldiers said they believed they heard noises that they

11 thought could have been nail bombs. One thought he

12 heard a nail bomb hit the outside of the building after

13 A had fired and one said he heard an explosion which he

14 did not then recognise as a nail bomb but which from

15 later experience he recognised as such.

16 Three recalled some form of warning about a nail

17 bomber being given. One recalled INQ441, the sergeant

18 in charge and A and B shouting amongst themselves and

19 mention of a nail bomb. No-one recalled actually seeing

20 a nail bomb.

21 The evidence of INQ441, who unfortunately was not

22 called before Lord Widgery to this Tribunal, was that he

23 was in no position to give an order to fire at nail

24 bombers as A claimed, because he was outside the

25 building tending to the radio operator, INQ455.


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1 There are, however, a few particular matters which,

2 in our submission, it would be helpful to draw

3 attention.

4 Firstly, the Tribunal might find it hard to credit

5 that two nail bombs were thrown and yet all of the

6 substantial number of witnesses in the area either never

7 heard them, never recognised what they were, or have

8 lied about their existence or had forgotten them.

9 Secondly, the 1972 evidence of the existence of nail

10 bombs seems to be confined to A and B, but that is

11 because statements appear to have been taken from them

12 and only one other member of the Machine-Gun Platoon and

13 then on a different point. None was taken from INQ441,

14 the sergeant in command. He did indeed tell the This

15 Week programme that his platoon had had nail bombs

16 thrown at them, but his evidence to this Inquiry was

17 that this was derived from what A and B had told him,

18 and not personal knowledge.

19 Next, there is some civilian evidence that

20 Damien Donaghy was among a group of youths who were

21 looking around the corner of the Nook Bar, or using it

22 at cover.

23 One witness, Monica McDaid, was recorded by

24 Eversheds, she says wrongly, as saying that the boy was

25 shot as he was chasing a rubber bullet kept looking out


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1 into William Street by putting his head round the

2 corner.

3 Next, there is also some civilian evidence Damien

4 Donaghy had been throwing stones shortly before he was

5 shot, or that he was either part of a group bending over

6 to pick up stones when the first shot was fired or ready

7 to throw a stone.

8 The witnesses, however, who claim to have seen

9 Damien Donaghy's hands at the point when he was shot are

10 unanimous that he had nothing in them.

11 There is a body of civilian evidence that Damien

12 Donaghy was facing north or northwest when he was shot,

13 which would be consistent with the medical evidence that

14 the bullet entered the front of his leg.

15 There are three civilians witnesses who say they

16 were in very close proximity to him when he was shot.

17 This is perhaps to be compared with his evidence that he

18 was on his own, making his way across the laundry

19 wasteground, but there are others who describe him as

20 slightly apart from those around him.

21 Major Loden's written statement to Lord Widgery

22 records, as I have indicated, that the platoon commander

23 of the Machine-Gun Platoon told him on the radio before

24 1600 that his platoon had shot a nail bomber. If that

25 evidence is accurate, it is apparent that the fact or


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1 the alleged fact that A or B or both had shot someone

2 who was said to be a nail bomber was known to the

3 platoon commander at an early stage.

4 Next, there might be an explanation for the

5 surprising fact that the shooting of a nail bomber was

6 not reported to brigade.

7 If it took place, as Major Loden says, some time

8 after 1555, then it is to be noted at 1600, according to

9 his diary, Major Loden received a warning order to

10 deploy through barrier 12. If he was to communicate on

11 the battalion net, his evidence was that he had to shout

12 down from his observation post to the west of the church

13 into the courtyard below.

14 This appeared to be the only place from which

15 communication with the battalion was possible. If

16 Major Loden was faced, within minutes of the drainpipe

17 shot and the shooting of A and B having taken place,

18 with the need to redeploy his company, including

19 presumably the signaller in the courtyard, it might not

20 perhaps be wholly surprising if reporting to the

21 Gin Palace was not at the forefront of his mind.

22 Next, a significant feature of the evidence is that

23 A and B were firing in the same direction at a single

24 target who, after they had shot, was dragged away. It

25 would be understandable for them not to have spotted


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1 they had hit John Johnston. He was a little way behind

2 Damien Donaghy and to the south. Initially he did not

3 realise he had been shot himself and was able to start

4 to hobble away.

5 In their reply submissions at R678 the Lawton team

6 point out there were a number of civilian witnesses saw

7 Damien Donaghy but did not see John Johnston shot. But

8 if in addition to shooting Damien Donaghy in the front

9 of the thigh, they also between them shot another

10 unidentified individual who fell to the ground at the

11 corner and was carried away, it would seem difficult to

12 believe neither A nor B, nor either of the several

13 civilians who saw the shooting of Damien Donaghy,

14 noticed or were prepared to say they had noticed, that

15 this had happened.

16 One lastly asks what could have caused A and B to

17 fire if no-one threw a nail bomb. The fact two soldiers

18 in separate positions appeared to fire at the same

19 target or area at the same time and, according to their

20 evidence, without an awareness of the others' shots or

21 intent to shoot, could indicate that they independently

22 shared a belief that they were under attack, because

23 they both had the same perception of what was happening.

24 Equally, it could mean both saw something which

25 might be a nail bomb, and at the holder of which they


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1 fired because they were not prepared to take a chance on

2 whether it was or not.

3 I have said little so far about the position of

4 John Johnston. There is much confusing evidence as to

5 where exactly he was when shot. We have expressed in

6 a tabular form in our submissions the various places

7 where witnesses say he was. In those submissions it is

8 suggested that the Tribunal might think it probable that

9 he was shot somewhere in the northeast quadrant of the

10 laundry wasteground where he was in position in line

11 with a bullet or bullets fired from Abbey Taxis in

12 a position from the northwest corner.

13 Secondly, he was shot, as he said in 1972, within

14 seconds of Damien Donaghy being struck, and as he turned

15 to look at the soldiers, and lastly that he was not an

16 intended victim.

17 There is some puzzling evidence of further firing,

18 apparently by soldiers in Sector 1. In particular,

19 evidence of two members of the BBC news crew, Cyril Cave

20 and Jim Deeney, of a shot landing somewhere in the

21 Kells Walk alleyway after they had gone to the Shiels'

22 house at which Damien Donaghy and John Johnston were.

23 We deal with this in our submissions and I do not

24 propose to deal with it further now.

25 I then come, if I may, to Sector 2. In our


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1 submissions in relation to this sector, we begin by

2 examining the composition of the Mortar Platoon and the

3 allocation of the 18 members of that platoon deployed on

4 Bloody Sunday to the two APCs under the command of

5 Lieutenant N and Sergeant O.

6 We suggest that an analysis of the evidence leads to

7 the conclusion, more certain in some cases than in

8 others, that the division of the soldiers between the

9 two vehicles was as follows: in the first Pig

10 Lieutenant N, Corporal 162, Lance Corporal V and Lance

11 Corporal INQ768 and Privates Q, S, 13, 19, and INQ1918.

12 In the second Pig, Sergeant O, Corporal P,

13 Private R, Private T, Private U, Private 006, Private

14 017, Private 112, Private INQ1579.

15 In evidence to Lord Widgery's Inquiry, Sergeant O

16 said four men disembarked from his vehicle when it

17 slowed to turn off Rossville Street. Both

18 Madden & Finucane and the Lawton team submit that in

19 fact five men, Corporal P, Private R, Private U, Private

20 006 and Private 017 disembarked from the vehicle at that

21 stage.

22 We suggest that to these a sixth must be added if

23 the evidence of Private U is accepted, that a man with

24 a baton gun, whom he was protecting, jumped out with him

25 and assisted him in effecting an arrest.


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1 In our submission that soldier is likely to have

2 been Private 112, who is recorded in the arrest form

3 relating to Charles Canning, as a witness to

4 Mr Canning's arrest by Private U.

5 A critical question for the Tribunal is whether the

6 soldiers came under fire as the vehicles moved in and as

7 the soldiers disembarked from the first vehicle and

8 whether it accepts there was any, and if so what, firing

9 at the soldiers at or very soon after the time of their

10 disembarkation from the first vehicle, bearing in mind

11 in particular the submission of the Lawton team that

12 Privates S and U, Lance Corporal V, Private 19,

13 Corporal 162 and Lance Corporal INQ768 probably all

14 heard the same firing.

15 We next consider the evidence as to the arrests and

16 other incidents that took place on or around the

17 wasteground after the soldiers had begun to disembark

18 from their vehicles. The relevant power of arrest lay

19 under the Special Powers Act, Regulation 11, which

20 empowered a member of Her Majesty's Forces on duty to:

21 "... arrest without warrant any person whom he

22 suspected of acting or of having acted or of being about

23 to act in a manner prejudicial to the preservation of

24 the peace or the maintenance of order."

25 As I have said, if the Londonderry Justices case was


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1 correctly decided, the regulation was invalid as the law

2 stood on 30th January and subsequently validated with

3 retrospective effect by enactment of the Northern

4 Ireland Act.

5 Independently of those considerations, in the case

6 of In Re McElduff in 1972 Northern Ireland Report,

7 page 1, it was held that an honest suspicion, even

8 though not reasonable, was enough for the purposes of

9 Regulation 11. But it was also held that for an arrest

10 under that regulation to be valid it was necessary for

11 the arrested person to be informed at the time of his

12 arrest or at the very earliest opportunity thereafter

13 under what power he had been arrested and the general

14 nature of the suspicion leading to his arrest.

15 The brigade operation order for Operation Forecast

16 directed that if arrests were made the words "I arrest

17 you for having committed acts prejudicial to the peace"

18 should be used, which would only have partially

19 satisfied the requirements set out in McElduff since it

20 does not satisfy the power invoked.

21 It is by no means clear that even this inadequate

22 formula was used on the day. For example, CSM Lewis

23 said in evidence that he did not recall that the

24 soldiers were required to give any explanation at all to

25 the person being arrested, but just to grasp him and


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1 take him as quickly as possible to the holding area.

2 Many, if not all, of the purported arrests made on

3 Bloody Sunday may have been unlawful on the ground that

4 the McElduff requirements were not observed. We deal in

5 our submissions at considerable length with the evidence

6 of the several arrests that took place in this sector,

7 but I propose not to speak of them now since the

8 submissions will stand for themselves when people read

9 them.

10 I come, then, to the shots fired by Lieutenant N

11 from Eden Place. In his RMP statement, Lieutenant N

12 said when he disembarked from his vehicle, several

13 people ran past throwing stones and bottles. He and two

14 other soldiers, now known to be Private O19 and INQ1918,

15 ran after them towards Chamberlain Street and as they

16 approached the junction of Eden Place and

17 Chamberlain Street, they turned to face him.

18 In all, his evidence was that there was a crowd of

19 about 100 people who began to advance, throwing stones

20 and bottles. In order to disperse them, he fired one

21 round high into the east wall of 14 Chamberlain Street

22 and two rounds high into the north wall of 13

23 Chamberlain Street. These shots caused no injuries and

24 the crowd dispersed.

25 In a further RMP statement he said that he fired his


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1 first round into the north wall of 13

2 Chamberlain Street; he thought the weapon had not

3 reloaded itself and so he cocked it again, ejecting what

4 he assumed at the time was an empty case, but appeared

5 from a subsequent ammunition count to have been a live

6 round.

7 He then fired a second round into the north wall of

8 13 Chamberlain Street and, after a short pause, a third

9 round into the east wall of 14 Chamberlain Street.

10 Jeffrey Morris said in his statement to the

11 Widgery Inquiry -- may we have on the screen EP2.4 --

12 that shortly after he had taken the photograph EP2.4,

13 the soldier in the foreground, who is shown standing on

14 the north side of Eden Place where it meets the

15 wasteground, went into a crouching position and fired

16 two rounds up the alley. We suggest there is no reason

17 to doubt the evidence of Mr Morris, that this photograph

18 was taken just before the shots were fired.

19 The photograph shows Private INQ1918 detaining

20 Duncan Clark, which is consistent with Lieutenant N's

21 evidence that after he had fired his shots to disperse

22 the crowd he looked at his signaller and saw him

23 standing by a civilian whom he had detained. It

24 appears, therefore, the shots were fired after Mr Clarke

25 had been apprehended, and before he was taken away to


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1 Lieutenant N's vehicle.

2 We invite the Tribunal to consider whether the

3 firing of these shots were permissible under the Yellow

4 Card and we offer some analysis in our submissions as to

5 that issue. As to the factual position the Tribunal

6 will have to decide whether or not it accepts

7 Lieutenant N's evidence about the circumstances in which

8 he opened fire.

9 We review in our submissions the evidence of

10 Lieutenant N and Private 19 and Private INQ1918. In

11 relation to Private 19, we suggest it will be necessary

12 to consider Praxis interview notes. May we have on the

13 screen O29.1. There are a series of notes, of which

14 this is the third. We invite the Tribunal to consider

15 whether or not these three sets of notes relate to O19.

16 In the third set of notes, which is the one presently on

17 the screen, what may be O19 is recorded as saying:

18 "N, he was nervous, in and out of the Pig. We were

19 telling him stories of sorting the IRA out. Bigger

20 price on an officer's head. The officer started firing

21 first.

22 "Question: Are you sure the officer started firing

23 first?

24 "Answer: I was right by him, cases were flying

25 right by my head. Lost it, hadn't he. I ran back to


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1 the Pig -- we all did to get out weapons -- get to

2 cover. He must have seen something. Well, you don't

3 hang about when the shooting starts. I did not see

4 anything, no targets. I only heard the officer firing.

5 Didn't see any targets. Didn't do any firing. Didn't

6 fire a bullet. The world collapsed around us.

7 Especially for the officers. Lots of careers ruined

8 that day."

9 If the Tribunal concludes, though Private O19 has

10 denied it, these notes were derived from an interview

11 from him, it may consider that they disclose his true

12 opinion of Lieutenant N's firing was that he had "lost

13 it".

14 Private 19 denied he had used that expression,

15 although he said there had been chitchat after the event

16 to the effect that Lieutenant N had panicked. The

17 criticism of Lieutenant N in the notes appears to be

18 based partly on the fact that the speaker had seen no

19 targets. It could be argued that that criticism may be

20 potentially unfair since the speaker may have overlooked

21 the fact that the shots were not fired at human targets

22 but only as a deterrent.

23 Private 19 was clearly aware of Lieutenant N's

24 purpose in firing the shots, which he explained in his

25 own RMP statement, and if the Tribunal finds that


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1 Private O19 nevertheless considered privately that

2 Lieutenant O19 had "lost it", it may consider that his

3 opinion is of some relevance, though in no sense

4 conclusive.

5 May we have on the screen, please, P274. We

6 consider in our submissions the evidence of Gilles

7 Peress, who said in his statement to the Widgery Inquiry

8 that he had taken the photograph which now appears on

9 the screen as he crossed the junction of

10 Chamberlain Street and Eden Place, holding up his camera

11 and saying "press". As he did so, a soldier kneeling at

12 the corner of the buildings on Eden Place, who we

13 suggest must have been Lieutenant N, fired at him from

14 the hip. In his oral evidence, Day 212, he said -- may

15 we have on the screen M65.69 -- the bullet struck at the

16 point he marked on that photograph.

17 Since this corresponds almost exactly with the spot

18 marked by Lieutenant N, the Tribunal may think that it

19 is likely to be accurate and should be preferred to the

20 different descriptions given by Mr Peress in his written

21 statements.

22 If so, the shot was fired above head height and as

23 frightening no doubt it was, there is no reason to

24 suppose that it was aimed at Mr Peress. In his oral

25 evidence to Lord Widgery, Mr Peress effectively accepted


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1 this when he was asked how he knew the soldier fired at

2 him and replied:

3 "I was the only one and where I was and where he was

4 and where the bullet is I see no other target. I do not

5 say he shot to kill me, but he took a very fair chance

6 to frighten me."

7 Mr Peress said in his oral evidence to Lord Widgery

8 there were no other people within sight or range of the

9 soldier when he fired. When he gave evidence to this

10 Inquiry he said, consistently with his statement to

11 Lord Widgery, that he took P274 before the soldier fired

12 in his direction. He said that when he came down

13 Chamberlain Street and took the photograph, there was

14 a group of no more of about ten people to his left.

15 It appears from his description that these people

16 were either on Chamberlain Street or the lower part of

17 Harvey Street. He could not remember what, if anything,

18 they were doing. He agreed the photograph might show

19 one or more objects in the air that had been thrown at

20 the soldiers, but said he had no recollection that he

21 could attach to the photograph and recalled nothing

22 specific about the two civilians in the foreground.

23 In their submissions, the Lawton team argue that

24 contrary to Mr Peress's recollection, P274 was probably

25 taken after Lieutenant N had fired his warning shots and


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1 the photograph does not discredit Lieutenant N's

2 evidence that he faced towards a hostile crowd advancing

3 towards him. In our submissions we seek to analyse that

4 evidence, the evidence that may assist the Tribunal in

5 determining whether or not that contention is

6 well-founded and invite the Tribunal when it has reached

7 its conclusions as to the circumstances in which

8 Lieutenant N opened fire, to consider whether it was

9 necessary for him to open fire in order to protect

10 himself and his men and whether any actual perceived

11 danger could have been averted by any alternative course

12 of action.

13 We then refer to the passages in the submissions of

14 the interested parties that address the question whether

15 Lieutenant N's shots at Eden Place were the first to be

16 fired after the deployment of his platoon and the theory

17 that they may have prompted other soldiers to open fire.

18 The Lawton team rely upon the evidence of

19 Private O19 that he had heard rifle fire from the

20 direction of the flats before Lieutenant N opened fire.

21 We point out that whether or not the Tribunal accepts

22 that evidence may depend in part upon the view that it

23 forms concerning the Praxis interview notes, since if

24 they are derived of an interview from 019, they imply

25 his real view was that Lieutenant N fired first.


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1 We deal also with the case of Alana Burke. The

2 evidence shows that the second Mortar Platoon struck her

3 after she had run into the entrance of the car park to

4 the flats, hitting her on the right side of her back and

5 her right leg. She said this happened -- may we have on

6 the screen, at the spot marked at AB101.9, with an

7 arrow.

8 Miss Burke sustained injuries to her pelvis, right

9 leg and back from which she took six months to recover

10 and which have had continuing serious medical

11 consequences. The driver of the vehicle that hit her

12 was Private INQ1579. The essential question we suggest

13 to the Tribunal is whether Miss Burke was run down

14 deliberately or otherwise, as a result of fault on the

15 part of the driver, or by simple accident.

16 In relation to that we draw attention to her

17 statement and that of the driver and that of Frank

18 Campbell. In her statement on 16th February 1972, she

19 had said this:

20 "I glanced backwards and saw an armoured car coming

21 into the car park. It was going fast and stopped a few

22 yards away from me. Some soldiers got out and I saw one

23 of them strike an elderly man on the face with the butt

24 of his rifle. The soldier got back into the Saracen

25 again and it moved forwards towards me. It struck me on


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1 the right side of my back and my right leg."

2 Another statement of hers in 1972 is to similar

3 effect, but does not in terms associate the soldier who

4 struck the elderly man with the vehicle that came into

5 the car park of the flats. Nor does it identify that

6 vehicle with the one that subsequently hit Miss Burke.

7 The possibility that Sergeant O's vehicle hit

8 Miss Burke only after it had already come to a halt and

9 while it was being moved forward again after the

10 incident with the elderly man is not supported elsewhere

11 in the evidence, but we suggest that it deserves at any

12 rate consideration, since it was found in the first

13 statement made by Miss Burke after the event and it

14 enabled the elderly man to be identified, at least

15 tentatively, as William John Doherty.

16 Unless Miss Burke was hit during a second movement

17 of the vehicle, it is difficult to explain how she could

18 have seen a soldier engaged with an elderly man before

19 she herself was hit. It might be thought that her

20 description of the vehicle stopping and soldiers

21 disembarking before it moved forward again related to

22 the stopping of Sergeant O's vehicle on

23 Rossville Street, but both of her contemporaneous

24 statements say clearly that it happened in the car park.

25 We address also the case of Thomas Harkin. It


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1 appears Sergeant O's vehicle knocked him to the ground

2 in the car park of the flats. We review the evidence of

3 a number of the witnesses about the incident, including

4 Mr Harkin and his friend James Quinn. We suggest

5 although the evidence is unsatisfactory in certain

6 respects, it is tolerably clear Mr Harkin was knocked

7 over and injured, albeit not very seriously, and that a

8 soldier jumped out of the vehicle and ran towards him.

9 It appears probable the soldier raised his rifle and

10 either delivered a blow intended for Mr Quinn which hit

11 Mr Harkin, or intended to hit Mr Harkin, but was

12 prevented from doing so by Mr Quinn. We suggest that

13 a number of questions arise, on which may in fact be

14 difficult for the Tribunal to reach firm conclusions.

15 Firstly, whether the running-down was deliberate. If

16 not, was it the fault either of the driver or of

17 Mr Harkin himself.

18 Secondly, what was the exact nature of the incident

19 that occurred after the soldier jumped out of the

20 vehicle and towards Mr Harkin.

21 Lastly, was there any justification for the use or

22 attempted use of force against Mr Harkin or Mr Quinn.

23 I turn now to the shooting incidents and observe,

24 with the exception of Alana Burke, who was, of course,

25 not shown, the principal main casualties in Sector two


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1 were Jack Duddy, Margaret Deery, Michael Bridge,

2 Michael Bradley and Patrick McDaid.

3 If Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan are correct in

4 their opinion that Mr McDaid's injury was not caused by

5 a lead bullet, there are four known casualties

6 attributable to gunshot wounds in this sector.

7 On the evidence of the soldiers, they fired 32 shots

8 in Sector 2. There is no evidence that either the three

9 shots fired overhead by Lieutenant N at Eden Place or

10 two shots fired up into Block 1 of the Rossville Flats

11 by Private T caused injury to anyone, with the possible

12 exception of Patrick Brolly whose case I consider later.

13 It is clear that those shots could not have been

14 responsible for any of the principal main casualties who

15 were all at ground floor when they were killed or

16 injured.

17 If those shots are left out of the count, and on the

18 assumption that all of Private S's shots were fired at

19 a single target, we say that 27 shots fired by six

20 soldiers at nine targets fall to be considered as

21 potentially responsible for the casualties in this

22 sector.

23 On the assumption that Sergeant O did not hit his

24 third gunman and Private R did not his gunman but that

25 otherwise the soldiers hit the targets at whom they say


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1 that they fired, those shots should have resulted in

2 three nail bombers, three gunmen and one petrol bomber

3 being killed or injured. However, there is no clear

4 match between any of the targets described by the

5 soldiers and any of the known casualties.

6 In relation to each of the alleged engagements, we

7 suggest that the Tribunal will have to consider,

8 firstly, whether the soldiers' account is, either in its

9 entirety or in particular respects, but especially as to

10 the existence and actions of his alleged target, (a)

11 accurate, (b) honest but mistaken, or (c) untruthful.

12 Secondly, whether, despite the absence of a clear

13 match with the target described by the soldier, the

14 shots fired do in fact account for one of the known

15 casualties.

16 Thirdly, and alternatively, whether it is possible

17 either that the shots fired hit some other person whose

18 injury or death on Bloody Sunday has somehow failed to

19 come to light in the intervening years, and despite the

20 efforts of this Inquiry or (b), the shots fired hit

21 nobody, despite the evidence of the soldiers in relation

22 to most of the engagements that they believed they had

23 hit their intended targets.

24 Lastly, whether the firing was permissible under the

25 Yellow Card or justified under common law.


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1 We say that in relation to each of the known

2 casualties attributable to gunshot wounds, the Tribunal

3 has to consider whether or not it is satisfied that

4 a soldier fired the relevant shot and if so, (a) whether

5 it is possible to identify the soldier or alternatively

6 to identify a group of soldiers, of whom one must have

7 fired the relevant shot, (b) whether the soldier who

8 fired the relevant shot intended to hit the person who

9 was in fact injured or killed, (c) whether the person

10 who was hit either was or appeared to be posing any and

11 if so, what threat to the soldiers at the time of the

12 shooting, and (d) whether the soldier who fired the

13 relevant shot believed that he was under any threat at

14 the time the shooting that justified him in opening fire

15 and if so, what threat and from who?

16 If a soldier was not responsible, who else may have

17 been? It is to be observed that the Lawton team

18 represents Lieutenant N, Sergeant O, Private Q,

19 Private R, Private S and Corporal V, who are, I think,

20 all the firers in Sector 2, with the exception of T.

21 They have nowhere suggested that any other soldier was

22 responsible for any of the casualties from gunfire in

23 Sector 2. According to their submissions, firstly, it

24 is impossible to determine who shot Michael Bradley and

25 not certain, though more likely than not, that a soldier


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1 did so.

2 Secondly, it is impossible to determine who shot

3 Michael Bridge, but it is accepted that a soldier did

4 so.

5 Thirdly, it is impossible to determine who shot

6 Margaret Deery and not even possible reasonably to

7 conclude that a soldier did so.

8 Fourthly, it is impossible to determine who shot

9 Jack Duddy, but it is accepted that a soldier did.

10 Fifthly, they submit Lieutenant N did not shoot

11 Michael Bridge or Margaret Deery.

12 Sixthly, Sergeant O did not shoot any of the known

13 casualties.

14 Seventhly, Private Q did not shoot any of the known

15 casualties.

16 Eighthly, Private R did not shoot Jack Duddy.

17 Ninthly, it is very unlikely that Private S shot any

18 of the known casualties.

19 Tenthly, Lance Corporal V did not shoot Jack Duddy

20 or Margaret Deery.

21 We invite you to consider the implications of these

22 submissions. It is accepted that a soldier shot

23 Mr Duddy, but the Lawton team invites the Tribunal to

24 conclude that neither Sergeant O, nor Private Q, nor

25 Private R, nor Lance Corporal V was responsible and that


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1 Private S is very unlikely to have been responsible.

2 One wonders, then, whether the Tribunal is to

3 conclude by a process of elimination that Lieutenant N

4 shot Mr Duddy, or that another soldier did so and has

5 failed to admit that he opened fire.

6 The question also arises as to whether a similar

7 process of elimination leads to the conclusion that

8 either Private R or Lance Corporal V must have shot

9 Mr Bridge.

10 If the Tribunal are satisfied that Mrs Deery and Mr

11 Bradley were also injured by Army gunfire the

12 difficulties become more acute, given that the Lawton

13 team seeks to exclude at least Lieutenant N, Sergeant O,

14 Private Q, Private S and Lance Corporal V as candidates

15 for the shooting of Mrs Deery and at least Sergeant O,

16 Private Q and Private S as candidates for the shooting

17 of Mr Bradley.

18 We make some comments in our submissions about the

19 sequence in which the casualties occur, to which I do

20 not propose to make further reference now. We deal with

21 the shooting of Jack Duddy. We note that according to

22 Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan's report, the bullet that

23 killed him entered the outer side of the right shoulder

24 on a track from right to left and probably slightly

25 backwards but was deflected first by the scapula and


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1 then by the spine, before leaving the body through the

2 left upper chest.

3 We reviewed the evidence as to where he fell and

4 invite the Tribunal to conclude that he fell forwards on

5 to his face as he ran in a generally southerly direction

6 across the car park, probably somewhere around the

7 centre of the row of seven parking bays closest to Block

8 1 of the flats, and that his body was then dragged

9 a short distance further on, and turned over so as to

10 arrive in the position we see in the photograph EP25.6.

11 We discuss in our submissions the evidence as to the

12 state of the crowd at the time that he was shot, which

13 may have a bearing on the Tribunal's conclusions as to

14 whether anyone in his vicinity may have posed or appear

15 to pose a threat to the soldiers and as to whether

16 Mr Duddy may have been hit by a bullet fired at someone

17 else and as to whether the person who shot, hit Mr

18 Duddy, may have failed to see that he had done so.

19 We also refer to evidence as to the relationship in

20 time between the shooting of Mr Duddy and the arrest of

21 William John Doherty and submit that whilst there are

22 inevitable variations in witness accounts, the

23 preponderance of the evidence suggests the shooting of

24 Mr Duddy occurred after the arrest of Mr Doherty had

25 begun and probably just after Mr Glenn's attempts to


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1 intervene in that arrest and before Mr Doherty was taken

2 away to Lieutenant N's Pig.

3 We argue later there is also evidence to suggest the

4 shooting of Mrs Deery happened during the arrest of

5 Mr Doherty. If so, whichever came first, the Tribunal

6 may think the shootings of Mrs Deery and Mr Duddy are

7 likely to have happened within a very short time of one

8 another.

9 We then take up the submission of the Lawton team in

10 which they argue it is probable Mr Duddy was:

11 "... accidentally hit at a time when he was among or

12 close to a hostile crowd that were throwing objects at

13 the soldiers and when a soldier aimed at another

14 person."

15 The Tribunal will have to consider whether this is

16 so, having regard to its conclusions as to where and

17 when Mr Duddy fell, and as to the nature, extent and

18 location of riotous activity in the car park.

19 We make a number of observations about this

20 submission and point out, even if the hypothesis is

21 assumed to be correct, when Mr Duddy was shot, a hostile

22 crowd around him was throwing objects at the soldiers.

23 It does not necessarily follow the soldier who fired the

24 shot was justified in doing so.

25 The Tribunal will have to (inaudible) target at whom


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1 he fired was posing such a threat to him or others as

2 would have justified opening fire and also whether he

3 could have failed to appreciate he had hit someone other

4 than his intended target.

5 We turn to the question of who shot Mr Duddy. We

6 say there is no reason to believe anyone other than

7 a soldier shot Mr Duddy. Indeed, in their submissions

8 the Lawton team accept that a soldier must have shot

9 him. We make the point that the possibility cannot be

10 altogether excluded that a soldier who has never

11 admitted opening fire was responsible for the shooting.

12 But there is no particular reason to believe that to be

13 case, nor is there any evidence upon which any

14 individual soldier could be identified as a likely

15 additional firer.

16 On the other hand, no soldier who has admitted

17 firing has described an incident which can clearly be

18 recognised as the shooting of Mr Duddy. We consider the

19 evidence of various civilian witness who claim to have

20 seen which soldier fired the shot that killed him and

21 examine the likelihood that particular soldiers fired

22 the fatal shot and suggest certain considerations that

23 may influence the Tribunal's conclusions.

24 We turn next to the wounding of Margaret Deery.

25 Mr Fenson, the surgeon at Altnagelvin, reported that she


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1 was admitted with a gunshot wound in the thigh

2 consistent with a small entrance wound at the front and

3 a very large exit wound at the back. The report of the

4 consultant neurologist at Belfast City Hospital confirms

5 she was injured in the left thigh and gives details of

6 the complications she suffered after her admission to

7 Altnagelvin.

8 Upon a review of the evidence as to the location at

9 which she was shot, we suggest that the preponderance of

10 the reliable evidence suggests that she was somewhere

11 not far from the corner of the backyard of 36

12 Chamberlain Street, probably a short distance from the

13 corner along the back of the houses.

14 In their submissions the Lawton team say Mrs Deery

15 managed to name three different people as being the man

16 next to her when she was shot and that this is

17 particularly strange in view of the fact that she told

18 the Insight journalists she did not know who this man

19 was. We suggest, in our submissions, that this

20 criticism is misconceived, for a number of reasons which

21 we there set out.

22 We also say that although the following two issues

23 cannot entirely be separated, the Tribunal may find it

24 helpful to consider what conclusions it can reach first

25 as to whether a soldier as opposed to a paramilitary


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1 gunman shot Mrs Deery and then as to which individual

2 soldiers could have been responsible.

3 So far as the first issue is concerned, if a soldier

4 fired the shot that hit Mrs Deery, the following

5 possibilities exist. Firstly, that he shot her on

6 purpose without any belief that she posed a threat and

7 then lied to cover up what he had done.

8 Secondly, he shot her on purpose, in the belief,

9 albeit mistaken, that she posed a threat to him. This

10 appears unlikely, since there is no evidence that

11 Mrs Deery was acting in a manner that could have

12 appeared threatening and no soldier has admitted firing

13 at a woman.

14 Lastly, that the soldier fired a shot at someone

15 else, that the bullet hit Mrs Deery, either directly or

16 as a ricochet.

17 Mrs Deery's own account clearly suggests she saw

18 a soldier and that she believed this soldier had fired

19 the shot that hit her. The Tribunal may indeed find it

20 hard to believe that a paramilitary gunman would have

21 shot Mrs Deery on purpose, but might wish to consider

22 the possibility that she was hit by a shot fired by

23 a paramilitary gunman that was intended for a soldier.

24 Whether this possibility is realistic depends upon

25 other factors: how close Mrs Deery was to the soldiers


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1 at the time of her shooting and upon the Tribunal's

2 conclusion as to the conclusions, if any, of

3 paramilitary gunmen in the area of the flats.

4 Even if the Tribunal is unable to be sure that the

5 soldier described by Mrs Deery fired the shot that hit

6 her, it may think that her statement showed that she was

7 facing towards the soldiers when she was shot. If so,

8 and if the Tribunal accepts that the entrance wound was

9 in the front of her thigh, the Tribunal may have some

10 difficulty in envisaging how a paramilitary gunman could

11 have shot her whilst intending to hit a soldier.

12 OIRA 4 has admitted that after Mr Duddy had been

13 shot he fired two or possibly three shots with a .32

14 automatic pistol from the corner of the backyard of 36

15 Chamberlain Street towards what was presumably

16 Sergeant O's Pig. His evidence was that he is the man

17 seen in the photograph at the side wall of the backyard

18 of 36 Chamberlain Street.

19 The photograph may be taken to show that as he

20 approached the corner, there were no civilians in the

21 immediate vicinity, which suggests by this time

22 Mrs Deery had already been shot and carried away. For

23 that reason, also because Mrs Deery appears to have been

24 shot from the front as she was facing the soldiers, the

25 Tribunal may think it improbable that any of the shots


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1 from OIRA 4 accidentally hit Mrs Deery.

2 We consider in our submissions the identity of the

3 soldier who could have been responsible for shooting

4 Mrs Deery and suggest factors that may influence the

5 Tribunal's conclusions.

6 In relation to Michael Bridge, we note Mr Bennett,

7 the surgeon at Altnagelvin, reported that Mr Bridge had

8 been wounded in a left thigh, with the entry wound in

9 the anterior part of the lateral side, that is to the

10 outside of the thigh, and the exit wound in the

11 posterior part of the same area.

12 May we have on the screen P740. We deal with

13 photographs P740 and 741, which were taken by the

14 amateur photographer Sam Gillespie. Questions arise as

15 to whether the man on the right of P740 is Mr Bridge and

16 as to whether P741, in which Mr Bridge certainly

17 appears, was taken before or after he was shot.

18 As to that question, we make these observations: if

19 Mr Gillespie is right that he took P741 immediately

20 after Mr Bridge had been shot, it appears that he must

21 have reacted to the shot more quickly than Mr Bridge,

22 who shows no obvious signs of distress in that

23 photograph.

24 In their submissions in reply, the Lawton team set

25 out their reasons for doubting Mr Gillespie's evidence


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1 on this point. Whilst the interpretation of the

2 photograph is of course a matter for the Tribunal, the

3 submissions of the Lawton team to say to the probable

4 physical reaction of Mr Bridge upon being hit in the

5 left thigh are not based on any expert evidence and the

6 Tribunal may think some caution is necessary in this

7 regard.

8 If the Tribunal accepts Mr Gillespie's evidence as

9 to the moment at which P741 was taken, the photograph

10 would place Mr Bridge, when he was shot, a short

11 distance southeast of the third parking bay in the row

12 of seven closest to Block 1 of the Rossville Flats,

13 counting from the end close to the wasteground.

14 If the Tribunal concludes he was shot after P741 was

15 taken, it is possible that at the time of the shooting

16 he had moved further towards the soldiers. We suggest

17 the Tribunal will have to consider whether, prior to the

18 shooting, Mr Bridge was behaving in a way that caused or

19 may have caused the soldier who shot him to believe that

20 he posed a threat and if so, what kind of threat.

21 Specifically, the Tribunal will have to consider

22 whether Mr Bridge threw or appeared to be about to throw

23 one or more stones or pieces of brick, and if so,

24 whether any such object could possibly have been

25 mistaken for a nail bomb or similar device. We discuss


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1 the evidence on that question. We note in their

2 submissions the Lawton team invite the Tribunal, having

3 rejected Mr Bridge's denial that he had anything in his

4 hand as he moved towards the soldiers to:

5 "... consider why he should maintain that deception

6 unless it is that he is aware of the fact that he and

7 those around him were presenting a very much more lethal

8 threat to the soldiers than has been admitted."

9 As to this submission, we make a number of points.

10 Firstly, the reference to a threat very much more lethal

11 than has been admitted means presumably a threat from

12 either firearms or bombs. But at Day 93, page 70, the

13 Lawton team expressly disclaimed any suggestion that Mr

14 Bridge himself was armed with a nail bomb or firearm and

15 no such suggestion has been advanced elsewhere in their

16 submissions.

17 Secondly, it is not obvious why Mr Bridge would have

18 sought falsely to deny that he threw or had in his hand

19 a stone or brick in order to cover up the existence of

20 a threat from firearms or bombs being used by anyone.

21 The Tribunal may wish to ask itself why such a false

22 denial would be likely to achieve that purpose.

23 Lastly, the expression "presenting a very much more

24 lethal threat" may perhaps be intended to mean only that

25 the impression of such a threat was given to the


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1 soldiers. If so, the submission leads the Tribunal back

2 to the question whether any actions of Mr Bridge could

3 have induced from the soldier who shot him a mistaken

4 belief that he posed such a threat.

5 We consider in our submissions the civilian evidence

6 as to the position of the soldier who shot Mr Bridge.

7 There is plainly no consensus on this question. Some

8 witnesses, notably Bishop Daly and Mr Bridge himself in

9 1972, placed the soldier near the northeast corner of

10 Block 1.

11 Others, notably William Harley, placed him on the

12 near side of Sergeant O's vehicle. Others, notably

13 Francis Dunne, placed him near the corner of the

14 backyard of 36 Chamberlain Street. The Tribunal will no

15 doubt wish to consider whether it finds the evidence of

16 any one of these three broad groups of witnesses more

17 convincing than that of the others and how much weight

18 it can attach to this evidence in seeking to identify

19 the soldier who fired the relevant shot.

20 Even if the Tribunal concludes that the evidence of

21 these witnesses is unreliable as the identity of the

22 firer, it may find it of some value as an indication of

23 where soldiers were deployed at the time of the

24 shooting. If there was a soldier at the near-side front

25 wheel of Sergeant O's vehicle at the moment when


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1 Mr Bridge was shot, then some time must have separated

2 that moment from the taking of P741.

3 We suggest that if the soldier who shot Mr Bridge

4 was in any of the positions described in the civilian

5 evidence, which is however not the only possibility, in

6 view of Lieutenant N's evidence as to the firing of his

7 fourth shot, it appears unlikely that the distance

8 between the soldier and Mr Bridge at the time of firing

9 was more than about 30 yards, it may have been much

10 less.

11 Mr Bridge was shot in the thigh and, at least in the

12 situation at the time of the shooting, was, as depicted

13 in P741, there was no-one standing immediately beside

14 him.

15 That might lead the Tribunal to consider whether or

16 not it is possible the shot was intended to hit someone

17 other than Mr Bridge; upon the assumption that the shot

18 was intended to hit him, whether or not it was an aimed

19 shot; if it was an aimed shot, whether it was intended

20 to kill or to injure; and whether or not it is possible

21 that the soldier who shot Mr Bridge could have failed to

22 see that he had done so.

23 We consider in our submissions the identity of the

24 soldier and suggest a number of considerations for the

25 Tribunal to take into account.


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1 In relation to Michael Bradley, the report of

2 Mr Fenson said Mr Bradley had sustained gunshot wounds

3 in both forearms and in the chest, consisting of small

4 entrance and exit wounds in the left forearm,

5 accompanied by comminuted fracture of the radius, large

6 entrance and exit wounds in the right forearm

7 accompanied by severe damage to the muscles and nerves,

8 and a severe comminated fracture of the radius and

9 entrance and exit wounds in the front of the chest,

10 accompanied by soft tissue damage only.

11 In a letter of 22nd March 1972, Mr Fenson expressed

12 the opinion that a bullet had struck the left forearm

13 first and passed across the chest and entered into

14 Bradley's right forearm, to which it caused much more

15 severe damage, probably because by that time it was

16 spinning: Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan stated with

17 regard to Mr Bradley's injuries:

18 "It is not possible to determine if the injuries to

19 the arms were caused by one or more than one projectile

20 or if they originated from left to right. No comment

21 can be made concerning the nature of the projectile or

22 projectiles. The injuries to the chest may have been

23 caused by fragments of bone, by fragments of one bullet,

24 or several bullets, or some other object or objects."

25 It is understandable Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan


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1 should be cautious in drawing conclusions from the

2 medical records alone. The Tribunal has before it

3 a body of civilian evidence on the basis of which it may

4 perhaps be satisfied that there is no other reasonable

5 explanation of Mr Bradley's injuries than that he was

6 shot and that since that he appears to have sustained

7 all his injuries at once, it is likely, though not

8 certain, that a single bullet hit him.

9 It is a matter for the Tribunal whether it accepts

10 the opinion of Mr Fenton, who had the benefit of having

11 examined the wounds, that the bullet was travelling from

12 left to right, or whether it prefers, having regard to

13 the evidence of Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan, to reach

14 no conclusion on this issue.

15 We review in our submission the evidence of

16 Mr Bradley as to the circumstances of the shooting and

17 say the totality of his evidence suggests that he fell

18 somewhere between the northwestern part of the low wall

19 in front of Block 2 of the flats and the place where the

20 body of Mr Duddy lay.

21 We refer also to the evidence of a number of

22 civilian witnesses who have placed him rather further to

23 the southeast than his own evidence indicates. We

24 suggest, for reasons which we explain, it was unlikely

25 Mr Bradley was more than a short distance to the


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1 southeast of the northwestern end of the wall when he

2 was hit.

3 We note that although it does not appear to be

4 controversial that Mr Bradley was shot after Mr Bridge

5 there is a paucity of evidence directly relating to

6 incidents. The most reliable indication is probably the

7 NICRA statement of Mr Derek Tucker at AD16.1, which

8 describes the shooting of a man in the middle of the car

9 park of the flats, evidently Mr Bridge, and then

10 describes the shooting of a man who had been crouching

11 at a low wall, evidently Mr Bradley.

12 If as appears likely the statement narrates the

13 events in the order in which they occurred, Mr Bridge

14 was shot before Mr Bradley.

15 Upon the assumption that a soldier shot Mr Bradley,

16 the Tribunal will have to consider whether, prior to the

17 shooting, Mr Bradley was behaving in a way that caused

18 the soldier to believe that he posed a threat and what

19 kind of threat, and specifically if Mr Bradley threw or

20 appeared to be about to throw one or more stones or

21 pieces of brick, and if so, whether any such object

22 could possibly be mistaken for a nail bomb or similar

23 device. We refer to the commissions and evidence on

24 that issue.

25 We note that Mr Bradley does not claim to know who


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1 shot him, but merely recalls that he saw two soldiers

2 near Sergeant O's APC and that no clear indication

3 emerges from the evidence of other civilian witnesses at

4 as to the location from which the shot or shots that hit

5 Mr Bradley was or were fired.

6 The first question for the Tribunal is whether it is

7 satisfied that a soldier or soldiers shot Mr Bradley.

8 The Lawton team say this is by no means certain, but

9 accept the evidence taken as a whole makes it more

10 likely than not.

11 In view of the location in which Mr Bradley fell,

12 the Tribunal may find it difficult to envisage a

13 plausible explanation for a paramilitary gunman opening

14 fire in his direction. If the Tribunal concludes that

15 a soldier must have shot Mr Bradley, the question arises

16 whether it is possible to identify him and, as in

17 previous cases we refer in our submission to a number of

18 factors for the Tribunal's consideration.

19 I turn then to Patsy McDaid. In relation to

20 Patrick McDaid, the medical evidence is that he

21 sustained a laceration on the upper part of the left

22 scapula which was described as "a glancing wound which

23 had been fired as the patient was ducking down and did

24 not indicate a direct hit from behind."

25 The opinion of Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan is


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1 that he had not been struck by a lead bullet and they

2 observed that objects could cause a slicing wound of

3 this kind would include an old penny or one of plates of

4 a U2 battery. In his oral evidence to the Tribunal,

5 Dr Shepherd said he thought it would be fair to say that

6 he and Mr O'Callaghan were confident that the wound had

7 not been caused by a lead bullet.

8 So far as the circumstances in which Mr McDaid was

9 injured is concerned, we suggest, despite his current

10 lack of recollection of feeling the blow, his numerous

11 accounts provide ample evidence, contrary to the

12 submissions of the Lawton team, both of where he was and

13 of what he was doing when he was hit. There seems no

14 reason to doubt his contemporaneous recollection that

15 something struck him in the back of his shoulder as he

16 was bending to dive for cover and his evidence as

17 a whole clearly indicates this happened as he was

18 preparing or beginning to jump over the low wall in the

19 southern corner of the car park of the Rossville Flats

20 either at or beside the steps which are there.

21 There is no evidence that Mr McDaid was behaving at

22 any material time in a way that presented or could

23 reasonably have appeared to present a threat to the

24 soldiers. We suggest, for reasons which we explain, the

25 Tribunal may feel satisfied that EP25.7, showed


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1 Mr McDaid lying face down on the ground very shortly

2 after he had been injured. This assists in determining

3 the stage at which he was injured. According to

4 Mr Peress's statement to the Widgery Inquiry, the body

5 seen in the previous photograph, EP25.6, had been

6 removed by the time Mr Peress took EP27 and EP25.8 which

7 suggests Mr McDaid was injured not only after the

8 shooting of Mr Bridge, but also after the shooting of

9 Mr Bradley, since both were shot while the body of

10 Mr Duddy was still lying in the car park of the flats.

11 The Tribunal will have to consider what conclusions

12 it can reach as to the nature of the projectile that

13 caused Mr McDaid's injury. With regard to this the

14 Lawton team submit Mr McDaid may have been hit by

15 a malfunctioning nail bomb. They say he was not hit by

16 a~7.62 millimetre round fired by a soldier and there is:

17 "... circumstantial evidence from a number of

18 different sources that suggest the most likely cause of

19 his injury was by being hit as part of such of a bomb."

20 Madden & Finucane submit it was:

21 "... overwhelmingly likely that he was wounded by a

22 projectile fired from a rubber bullet gun which had

23 probably been doctored."

24 They say it was most likely that Private 013 fired

25 the projectile, or at least that he is the prime


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1 contender for having done so.

2 A further possibility, of which we say the Tribunal

3 should not entirely lose sight, was that Mr McDaid was

4 in fact hit by a fragment of a live round or a piece of

5 debris sent flying when a live round made contact with

6 some other object.

7 As to the first of those possibilities, the

8 malfunctioning nail bomb, we note that the evidence

9 relied upon by the Lawton team is, as they acknowledge,

10 circumstantial. No witness who was near Mr McDaid when

11 he was injured has given evidence that an explosion

12 occurred anywhere around him.

13 As to the second, the projectile from a rubber

14 bullet gun, we note that no witness who was near

15 Mr McDaid when he was injured has given evidence of

16 seeing a baton round hit him or of seeing a baton round

17 on the ground after he had been hit.

18 On the evidence of the four soldiers of the Mortar

19 Platoon who were equipped with baton guns Private 17

20 never went to a location from which he could have fired

21 a baton round into the car park of the flats. Private

22 19 did not think that he fired any baton rounds into the

23 car park. Private 13 and Private 112 both fired

24 a number of baton rounds into the car park, but neither

25 said he fired them towards the passage between Blocks 2


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1 and 3, and Private 112 said that he doubted that he

2 would have done so.

3 We say this affords a basis upon which the Tribunal

4 could conclude that if Mr McDaid was hit by a modified

5 baton round the soldier most likely to have fired it was

6 Private 13 or, less probably, Private 112. But it does

7 not begin to prove Mr McDaid was in fact injured in that

8 way.

9 As to the third possibility, we note Dr Shepherd and

10 Mr O'Callaghan came to the conclusion that the --

11 LORD SAVILLE: Mr Clarke, I think we will take a short break

12 for the stenographers now.

13 (2.10 pm)

14 (A short break)

15 (2.20 pm)

16 MR CLARKE: Could we have on the screen AB90.3, please.

17 I come now to the position of Patrick Brolly, who made

18 a statement to this Inquiry on 24th April 1999, but was

19 unable, by reason of ill health, to give oral evidence

20 and died in January 2002. In his statement he said that

21 as the Army was coming into the Bogside he made his way

22 to Kathleen Cunningham's flat in Block 2 of the

23 Rossville Flats, located at about point B on the plan,

24 which is now on the screen. From the window of that

25 flat he said that he saw Father Daly administering the


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1 last rites to Mr Duddy, turned away from the window and

2 was hit by a bullet that came through the window and

3 skimmed the left side of his head just above the

4 forehead. He fell to the ground, was knocked out for

5 a while and was taken to Altnagelvin, in the same

6 ambulance as Alana Burke and Barney McGuigan, but was

7 discharged later in the day.

8 In our submissions we review the evidence of his

9 widow, Celine Brolly, his daughter Marie Cregan and his

10 sister Annie Curran and suggest three connected

11 questions arise. Firstly, was Mr Brolly in fact in

12 Block 1 or Block 2 of the flats when he was injured?

13 Secondly, was the projectile that hit him a baton

14 round or a live round?

15 Thirdly, who fired the baton round or bullet that

16 hit him?

17 So far as the first question is concerned, the

18 evidence of Mr & Mrs Brolly to the Inquiry was that

19 Mr Brolly was in Block 2, whereas the evidence of

20 Mrs Creggan and Mrs Curran was he was in block 1. For

21 reasons we explain in our submissions, we suggest

22 Mr Brolly was in Block 1 when he was injured, and that

23 the evidence of Mrs Curran should be preferred to that

24 of Mr & Mrs Brolly on this point.

25 As to the second question, the evidence of Mr & Mrs


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1 Brolly and Mrs Creggan appears to establish that Mr &

2 Mrs Brolly initially believed Mr Brolly had been injured

3 by a baton round or alternatively by glass sent flying

4 when a baton round smashed the window, but the

5 subsequent discovery of a lead bullet embedded in

6 a wardrobe changed their minds. There is nothing to

7 contradict the evidence that a lead bullet was found in

8 the wardrobe; and although Mrs Curran could not say

9 whether her brother had been hit by a live round of a

10 baton round, the Tribunal may attach significance to her

11 evidence that attempts to find the bullet immediately

12 after the incident were unsuccessful. Had a baton round

13 been fired into the room, it might perhaps have been

14 suspected that it would have been more easily located.

15 As to the third question, if a baton round was the

16 cause of Mr Brolly's injury, three of the four soldiers

17 of the Mortar Platoon equipped with baton guns, Private

18 13, Private 19 and Private 112, would have been in

19 a position to fire it. Private 17 may be left out of

20 the count since on his evidence he never went to

21 a location from which he could have fired a baton round

22 either into the southeast side of Block 1 or the

23 northeast side of Block 2.

24 Of the other three soldiers, only Private 13 has

25 said he fired baton rounds into the windows of the


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1 flats. In his statement to the Inquiry he said he did

2 so in order to "keep people away from the windows to

3 prevent them shooting at us" and he could not recall at

4 which windows he had fired. For this reason the

5 Tribunal might think he is the most likely of the three

6 to have been responsible.

7 However, the Tribunal may consider it more probable

8 that a live round caused Mr Brolly's injury. No soldier

9 has admitted firing a live round into the northeast side

10 of Block 2. If the Tribunal were to conclude that

11 a live round fired by a soldier had hit Mr Brolly in

12 that block, this would entail one of the soldiers had

13 not given a full account of his firing, but there could

14 be no evidence on which the Tribunal could determine the

15 identity of that soldier.

16 The position may be different if the Tribunal

17 concludes that a live round fired by a soldier hit

18 Mr Brolly in Block 1. Upon that hypothesis we say (for

19 reasons which we explain in more detail in our written

20 submissions), it would be open for the Tribunal to draw

21 the further conclusion that this is likely to be one of

22 the two live rounds (probably the first) fired by

23 Private T. The only alternative (for which there is no

24 evidence) is that another soldier fired the relevant

25 shot and failed to admit that he has done so.


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1 Finally in this sector we deal with the injury

2 sustained by Pius McCarron, who did not make a statement

3 in 1972 and was unable by reason of serious illness to

4 give evidence in any form to this Inquiry.

5 In their submissions the Lawton team set out the

6 evidence of Patrick Clarke, to the effect that he found

7 Mr McCarron lying in the entrance either to the passage

8 between Blocks 1 and 2 of the flats, or to the passage

9 between Blocks 2 and 3, and that he helped him to

10 Joseph Place, where Mr McCarron told him he had been hit

11 on the head "by a piece of masonry from a ricochet".

12 This account is described by the Lawton team as

13 "inherently implausible" for reasons that are not

14 explained, although attention to drawn to the fact that

15 in his evidence to the Inquiry Mr Clarke said that he

16 saw a piece of masonry lying next to Mr McCarron in the

17 passage, whereas in his NICRA statement he did not

18 mention this and said that he had been unable when first

19 attending to Mr McCarron to determine what was wrong

20 with him.

21 In our submissions we set out the evidence of

22 Mr Clarke and suggest the most likely explanation of the

23 differences in his accounts is the imperfection of

24 memory after the passage of the years and that his NICRA

25 statement is generally likely to be more reliable than


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1 his evidence to this Inquiry. We suggest it is an open

2 question whether Mr Clarke saw a piece of masonry beside

3 Mr McCarron and omitted to mention it in his NICRA

4 statement, or whether he has acquired a false memory of

5 having seen a piece of masonry by the time he made his

6 statement to this Inquiry.

7 We note that the Lawton team refer six times in

8 their submissions to Mr McCarron having been knocked

9 "unconscious". This is used to cast doubt on

10 Mr McCarron's own explanations of what happened to him,

11 on the basis of a submission that "it is, of course,

12 unusual for people who are knocked unconscious to be

13 able to recall the cause." It is then pointed out that

14 Mr McCarron did not go to Altnagelvin. But it is

15 notable that nowhere in his evidence has Mr Clarke said

16 that Mr McCarron was knocked unconscious. It is true

17 that it appears from Mr Clarke's NICRA statement

18 Mr McCarron did not explain what had happened to him

19 until after he had reached Joseph Place, but that is as

20 consistent with him being dazed, shocked or distressed

21 as it is with him being unconscious.

22 It is also true that in his statement to this

23 Inquiry Mr Clarke said at first he thought Mr McCarron

24 had been shot dead, but it is clear this initial

25 impression did not last for long, since on his account


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1 Mr Clarke found no bullet wound, but instead saw the

2 piece of masonry and the gash on Mr McCarron's head.

3 We also invite the Tribunal to consider the evidence

4 of Eamonn Baker and James Eugene Deeney, who described

5 the strike of bullets on the high retaining wall in

6 front of block 3 at the time when Mr McCarron fell.

7 We observe that Sergeant O, Private Q and Private R

8 fired, on their evidence, six live rounds in the

9 direction of the passage between Blocks 2 and 3 of the

10 Rossville Flats. If their trajectory photographs are

11 accurately marked, these shots, unless they hit an

12 intermediate target, would have hit the high retaining

13 wall in front of Block 3 in the very place indicated by

14 Mr Baker and Mr Deeney.

15 The Tribunal may think only one of these shots could

16 easily have dislodged masonry that hit Mr McCarron

17 and/or caused dust to fall into his eyes. While the

18 details of the accounts given by Mr Baker, Mr Clarke and

19 Mr Deeney are not wholly consistent with one another,

20 their evidence as a whole may satisfy the Tribunal that

21 whatever happened to Mr McCarron was attributable to

22 falling masonry. We say it is not clear that he was

23 seriously injured or knocked unconscious.

24 The Lawton team, however, submit that a "far more

25 likely explanation" is that Mr McCarron was "knocked


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1 unconscious by a blast from a bomb of some description".

2 Yet neither Mr Baker nor Mr Deeney, who were both close

3 to Mr McCarron at the time, appears to have heard any

4 explosion, let alone suffered any similar consequences

5 as a result of the blast, and we respectfully suggest

6 the proposition for which the Lawton team contend is

7 speculation, and speculation which is incompatible with

8 the evidence of those two, if the Tribunal accepts it.

9 I turn then, if I may, to Sector 3. We begin in our

10 submissions by examining the composition of the

11 Composite Platoon and the Anti-Tank platoon and the

12 allocation of members of those platoons to their

13 respective vehicles, into which I do not propose to go

14 further now.

15 We refer to the submissions of the interested

16 parties that deal with the arrival of the Army vehicles

17 in Rossville Street and the subsequent deployment of the

18 soldiers and what is shown in various photos and the

19 film from ABC, video 48. We suggest, for reasons

20 explained in the written submissions, that the ABC film

21 is likely to show Private 112 firing a baton round on

22 disembarkation from Sergeant O's vehicle when it stopped

23 in Rossville Street.

24 May we have on the screen, please, P1117. We analyse

25 in our submissions the principal photographs that are


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1 relevant in these context, namely, Ciaran Donnelly's

2 sequence of photographs, and Liam Mailey's sequence. We

3 suggest, for reasons which we explain, that the arrest

4 of William Dillon on the wasteground was in progress at

5 the time when P1117 and P1118 were taken and hence that

6 any foray from the barricade provoked by or simultaneous

7 with his arrest would have occurred whilst Corporal P

8 and Private 017 were alongside the ramp to the south of

9 Kells Walk, although the foray would not necessarily

10 have been directed at them as opposed to the soldiers

11 involved in the arrest.

12 We also considered the evidence of three soldiers

13 who acknowledged that they fired baton rounds towards

14 the rubble barricade. These are Private 17, Lance

15 Corporal 18 and Private 112. We suggest that the

16 Tribunal will wish to evaluate the evidence of these

17 soldiers when reaching conclusions as to the nature and

18 extent of the rioting that took place in the area of the

19 barricade and will wish to consider how far it accepts

20 the evidence of the soldiers about the seriousness of

21 the threat that they faced and its assessment of their

22 evidence is likely also to influence any view that it

23 forms as to whether the firing of baton rounds was

24 justified.

25 We deal also with the injury to Seamus Liddy. He


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1 was interviewed by Peter Pringle on 18th May 1972.

2 According to the Sunday Times note of the interview,

3 Mr Liddy ran into Glenfada Park when the Army entered

4 the Bogside. The note continues, and I quote:

5 "There was a group standing by the gable and he went

6 over to it. He could see a soldier across near the

7 barricade, standing at the bottom of the

8 Rossville Flats. The soldier fired a rubber bullet

9 which hit Liddy in the chest chose to his heart. He is

10 not a strong man, he is 43 and it hurt him badly. He

11 was helped by his brother Barry and Father Bradley. The

12 next thing he saw was a group bending over the body of

13 Michael Kelly ..."

14 In his interview with Kathleen Keville, Mr Liddy

15 made no reference to this incident, claiming instead the

16 Army had detained him in William Street while he was on

17 his way to work. We make the suggestion he was likely

18 concerned at the time of the interview not to admit he

19 had been among the crowd in Glenfada Park or in the area

20 of the rubble barricade. He himself is now dead and did

21 not make a statement to this Inquiry.

22 The evidence of other witnesses confirms that

23 Mr Liddy received an injury from a baton round and we

24 suggest that this evidence establishes that he was hit

25 in the chest, probably when he was somewhere on the west


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1 side of Rossville Street near the entrances to

2 Glenfada Park North. It is clear he was in some pain

3 after being struck and it appears on the evidence of

4 John O'Kane that he was bleeding. There is no evidence

5 that he was seriously injured or that he required

6 hospital treatment. After being injured he was

7 arrested. He told Ms Keville he was then assaulted,

8 both before and after his arrival at Fort George.

9 Nevertheless, as Mr Pringle's note records, he was

10 able to present himself for work the next morning.

11 The papers relating to the arrest of Mr Liddy

12 include a statement of Corporal E, in which he says that

13 he saw Mr Liddy throwing stones at the Security Forces

14 and arrested him. It appears from the report to the

15 Director of Public Prosecutions, dated 2nd June 1972,

16 Corporal E made a further statement, which is not before

17 the Tribunal, and which was described as being in

18 complete variance with the statement of Mr Liddy, in

19 which he claimed he saw Mr Liddy throw a missile, chased

20 him and caught him. If that was true, it can only have

21 happened after Mr Liddy had been injured, since

22 Corporal E made arrests only after he had entered

23 Glenfada Park North with other members of the Anti-Tank

24 Platoon, which in turn happened only after

25 Lance Corporal F had fired the shot that hit Mr Kelly.


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1 Thus Corporal E's statement does not show Mr Liddy was

2 throwing stones before he was injured, nor is there

3 other evidence that he was doing so.

4 As to the identity of the soldier who fired the

5 baton round that hit Mr Liddy, we consider the

6 possibilities but suggest there is no evidence that any

7 of the soldiers with baton guns was aiming specifically

8 at Mr Liddy. In his oral evidence to this Inquiry at

9 Day 358/59 to 60, Private 017 said that he aimed his

10 baton rounds generally into the crowd and not at anyone

11 in particular.

12 Mary Breslin (formerly Mary Smith) said in her

13 statement to this Inquiry she was watching events from

14 the larger of the two windows of the sitting room of her

15 mother's flat at 2 Kells Walk. This was the

16 southernmost window on the first floor on the east side

17 of the block. After the soldiers entered

18 Rossville Street, a foreign photographer arrived in the

19 flat and went to the smaller, more northerly window of

20 the same room. Someone in the flat warned that

21 a soldier was pointing a gun up at the flat. Miss Smith

22 herd a bang and was hit on the left side of her face and

23 in her left eye by flying glass. She did not think

24 anyone had been doing anything at either window to

25 attract attention. Miss Smith was admitted to hospital


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1 and underwent an operation. She lost sight in her left

2 eye for a week or so. Mrs Breslin did not give oral

3 evidence.

4 We review, however, the evidence of other civilian

5 witnesses who were present when this incident occurred

6 and Corporal 039 and Private M of the Composite Platoon.

7 We suggest, despite some inconsistencies in the

8 evidence, the Tribunal may think that it is clear that

9 Corporal 039 fired the baton that caused Miss Smith to

10 be injured by flying glass. It appears that

11 a photographer, whose identity has not been established,

12 was taking photographs or trying to do so before the

13 baton round was fired, but there is no suggestion that

14 his camera was mistaken for a weapon. The evidence of

15 Kathleen Kelly, Brian Power and Corporal 039 himself

16 indicates that the baton round was fired from somewhere

17 on the west side of Rossville Street not far from the

18 window and Damien Friel's evidence to a different effect

19 appears to be mistaken.

20 Mr Power and Mr Friel appear independently to recall

21 that a more senior soldier, described by Mr Power as an

22 officer, by Mr Friel as a sergeant, had pointed out the

23 window of the flat to the soldier who fired the baton

24 round. If this is true, the identity of that officer or

25 non-commissioned officer remains unknown. Corporal 039


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1 has never suggested he fired other than on his own

2 initiative.

3 We say that the principal question for the Tribunal

4 to resolve is whether the firing of this baton round was

5 justified. In particular, the Tribunal will have to

6 decide whether it accepts the evidence given by Corporal

7 039 in 1972 that two women had been throwing missiles

8 from the window before he fired (although, according to

9 his statement to the Widgery Inquiry, one of them began

10 to close the window when he took aim), or whether it

11 prefers the evidence of those that were in the flat, who

12 said that no missiles were being thrown.

13 I turn to the position of Joseph Lynn and his arrest

14 and the disputed question of firing in the derelict

15 building north of Kells Walk. In the light of the

16 evidence of Mr Lynn, Lance Corporal 229 and Private L,

17 we say that the following issues arise.

18 The first is who arrested Mr Lynn?

19 The second is whether the arrest of Mr Lynn was

20 justified on the grounds that he had been seen throwing

21 stones at the Security Forces or on any other ground?

22 Thirdly, the question arises as to whether a soldier

23 opened fire in the derelict building prior to the arrest

24 of Mr Lynn. If so, which soldier? How many rounds did

25 he fire? Were the shot(s) aimed? What was their


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1 purpose? Were they justified?

2 As to the first issue, who arrested him, there are

3 strong reasons to believe both Lance Corporal 229 and

4 Private L took part in the arrest of Mr Lynn. All three

5 witnesses describe an arrest in the same building of

6 a man who had taken cover above ground level by

7 a soldier or soldiers who shouted warnings or orders to

8 him to come down. So far as is known, no other person

9 was arrested in that building.

10 Each soldier said in 1972 that another was involved

11 and Lance Corporal 229 said the other soldier was

12 Private L. Lance Corporal 229 identified Mr Lynn at

13 Fort George as the man whom he had arrested. Doubts

14 arise only because of Mr Lynn's evidence that just one

15 soldier was involved in his arrest and that this soldier

16 was different from and taller than Lance Corporal 229.

17 In his oral evidence Mr Lynn said he was as sure as he

18 could be this soldier was white, although his face was

19 blackened. Mr Lynn was about five foot 11 inches tall

20 and on his evidence the soldier who arrested him was

21 about the same height. If this evidence is accurate, it

22 would show the soldier who arrested Mr Lynn was not

23 Lance Corporal 229, who was five foot eight inches tall.

24 However, it would also exclude Private L, who was not

25 white, did not wear camouflage paint, and was only five


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1 foot seven inches tall.

2 The implication in Mr Lynn's evidence, if accurate,

3 is there a third soldier (whose identity is unknown)

4 effected his arrest, and that the incidents described by

5 Lance Corporal 229 and Corporal L were either invented

6 (for reasons that are not apparent) or related to the

7 arrest of someone else (despite the many points of

8 similarity to the circumstances of his own arrest). The

9 Tribunal may think the more plausible explanation is

10 that Mr Lynn was mistaken both in his belief the soldier

11 who arrested him was alone and as to the height of that

12 soldier.

13 As to the second issue, the justification for the

14 arrest, the justification given for the arrest by Lance

15 Corporal 229 at the time was that he had seen Mr Lynn

16 throwing stones. This proforma statement is the only

17 evidence that Mr Lynn was seen engaging in such

18 activity. In his statement to this Inquiry, Lance

19 Corporal 229 said that he no longer recalled whether he

20 had seen Mr Lynn throwing stones or whether someone told

21 him this is what Mr Lynn had been doing.

22 In his oral evidence, he said he was sure he had not

23 seen Mr Lynn doing anything wrong. When he said why he

24 chased after Mr Lynn, Lance Corporal 229 said he had

25 "probably been told to go and get him", although he did


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1 not remember being told this. At Day 341/33 he said

2 that it was also possible that he had simply gone after

3 anyone whom he could catch.

4 Mr Lynn has denied that he threw any stones in his

5 statement to this Inquiry and his oral evidence. As

6 noted by the Aitken team, Lance Corporal D said in his

7 RMP statement that after disembarking from his vehicle,

8 he was given an arrested youth to look after, who told

9 him that his name was Finn, and that he had "become

10 mixed in the riot accidentally." The description given

11 by Lance Corporal D suggests this was in fact Mr Lynn.

12 In his statement to this Inquiry, Lance Corporal 229

13 said that people had been throwing stones when the

14 soldiers arrived in the area and that Mr Lynn may have

15 been one of them. The Tribunal may wish to consider

16 whether Lance Corporal 229 could have held a genuine

17 suspicion that Mr Lynn had been throwing stones, even

18 though he did not recognise him as someone who had been

19 rioting before he entered the building. Such

20 a submission, even if not well-founded, might in

21 principle have justified an arrest, but the fact remains

22 the justification given by Lance Corporal 229 at the

23 time was that he had seen Mr Lynn throwing stones.

24 As to the third issue, the opening of fire, Mr Lynn

25 and Corporal 229, albeit in the case of the latter only


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1 in his statement to this Inquiry, have both said that

2 a soldier opened fire in the derelict building prior to

3 Mr Lynn's arrest and Corporal 229 identified that

4 soldier as Private L. In his RMP statement Captain 200

5 said that when the Composite Platoon returned to

6 Clarence Avenue he immediately ordered an ammunition

7 check and conducted preliminary questioning of those who

8 had fired their weapons.

9 In relation to Private L he recorded the following:

10 "1 x 7.62 in rafters of ruin 43281696 at possible

11 sniper in roof -- deliberate miss after two warnings to

12 come down. Man jumped down from roof (15 feet) and was

13 arrested. Roof not searched for weapons."

14 The grid reference corresponds to the building

15 immediately north of Kells Walk. In his oral evidence

16 to this Inquiry, Captain 200 confirmed that this

17 information could only have come from Private L. This

18 appears to provide contemporaneous corroboration for the

19 evidence of Lance Corporal 229, that Private L fired one

20 shot in the derelict building before the arrest of

21 Mr Lynn.

22 In his oral evidence to this Inquiry, Private L

23 maintained that he did not fire a shot into the rafters

24 of derelict building and was unable to explain how

25 Captain 200 recalled he had done so. He denied that he


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1 had decided to pretend that he did not fire the shot

2 after having realised that it was unjustifiable. The

3 Tribunal will have to decide what it makes of

4 Private L's evidence on this matter.

5 If the Tribunal finds, in reliance on Captain 2000's

6 RMP statement, that Private L initially admitted he had

7 opened fire in the derelict building, it may think it

8 unlikely he would have claimed to have fired only one

9 shot in that location if in fact he had fired two. It

10 does not appear that it would have served any useful

11 purpose to conceal one shot while admitting the other.

12 The Tribunal may think this is a reason for preferring

13 the evidence of Lance Corporal 229, that Private L fired

14 one shot, to the evidence of Mr Lynn that the soldier

15 who arrested him fired two.

16 Lance Corporal 229 said in his statement to this

17 Inquiry that Private L came into the building carrying

18 his rifle pointing upwards. He shouted to Mr Lynn to

19 come down and fired at the same time. The shot, he

20 said, was not an aimed shot and it was not aimed at

21 Mr Lynn. This appears to mean not just that the shot

22 was not aimed at any person, but that it was not aimed

23 at all. It does not appear that any shot that may have

24 been fired was intended to hit Mr Lynn.

25 In his statement to this Inquiry, Lance Corporal 229


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1 said that Private L fired as a warning. This is

2 consistent with the description of the shot in

3 Captain 200's RMP statement of a deliberate miss.

4 Although Mr Lynn said he felt something pass through his

5 hair when the soldier fired, he did not suggest that the

6 soldier had attempted to kill him. In giving evidence,

7 he was asked whether the soldier could have missed if he

8 had been shooting to kill and said "at that range he

9 would probably took me off at the waist."

10 The Yellow Card required that a soldier should fire

11 only aimed shots and should not fire more rounds than

12 absolutely necessary. Private L agreed, on Day 381,

13 there had been no need to fire at a man in the rafters

14 of a derelict building and later on the same day that

15 a deliberate miss would have been a breach of the Yellow

16 Card. Lance Corporal 229 said at Day 341/35 that he did

17 not believe Mr Lynn presented any form of threat and

18 that if Mr Lynn had not come down from the rafters he

19 would have gone up himself and brought him down. The

20 Tribunal may therefore be satisfied that if Private L

21 opened fire in the derelict building prior to Mr Lynn's

22 arrest, the firing was unjustified.

23 I turn then to the shooting incidents and observe

24 seven known casualties attributable to gunshot wounds in

25 sector three: Michael Kelly, Hugh Gilmore, Michael


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1 McDaid, William Nash, John Young, Kevin McElhinney and

2 Alexander Nash.

3 We set out in our submissions a summary of the live

4 rounds that were fired in this sector according to the

5 evidence given by the soldiers. On that evidence,

6 soldiers fired 39 shots in Sector 3, although the

7 absence of any contemporaneous record of Private

8 Longstaff's shot or Private INQ449's shot may raise

9 a question as to whether they were in fact fired.

10 There is no evidence that either of two shots fired,

11 according to the evidence that he gave in 1972, by

12 Private L up into the derelict building in Abbey Street,

13 or the three shots fired overhead by Corporal P in

14 Rossville Street caused injury to anyone. It is clear

15 those shots could not have been responsible for any of

16 the known casualties who were all at ground level when

17 they were killed or injured.

18 As to the remaining 34 shots, we say that

19 a distinction may conveniently be drawn between those

20 fired at targets above ground level and those fired at

21 targets at ground level. According to the evidence of

22 the soldiers, 17 shots were fired by seven soldiers at

23 seven targets above ground level in Block 1 of the

24 Rossville Flats, predominantly at a late stage.

25 It is clear that these shots could not have been


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1 responsible for any of the known casualties. With

2 regard to those shots, we make certain observations. In

3 particular, we say, for reasons which are set out in the

4 written submissions, it seems probable that the seven

5 shots fired, on the soldiers' evidence by

6 Lance Corporal F at his first and second gunmen and by

7 Private G at his gunman, were all in fact fired at the

8 window of 12 Garvan Place.

9 It is at least clearly implicit, in the evidence

10 of JOhn McCrudden, Margaret Fetherston, Fulvio Grimaldi

11 and Susan North, that there was no gunman in 12

12 Garvan Place and that the only object held out of the

13 window was Mr Grimaldi's camera. If the Tribunal

14 accepts that evidence, it may conclude

15 Lance Corporal F's first two gunmen did not exist,

16 neither did Private G's.

17 Private Longstaff said in his Eversheds statement he

18 fired at the parapet at the top of Block 1 of the flats

19 because he believed that a shot had been fired in his

20 direction from the roof. He confirmed in his oral

21 evidence he did not see the person who had fired the

22 shot, but said he was "pretty positive where the shot

23 had come from." Whatever the Tribunal makes of this

24 evidence, it may find it difficult to see how, without

25 a sighting, he could have been in a position to know


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1 that the gunman was on the roof.

2 The Tribunal might think, therefore, that his

3 evidence provides no sound basis for concluding that

4 there was in fact a gunman on the roof of Block 1.

5 If the targets described by Lance Corporal F and

6 Private G on the second floor of Block 1 of the flats

7 and Private Longstaff on the roof are disregarded, three

8 targets in Block 1 remain to be explained. These are

9 Private C's second gunman, at whom Lance Corporal D and

10 apparently Private INQ449 also fired, Corporal E's

11 gunman and Lance Corporal F's third gunman. Of these

12 soldiers, only Private C and Lance Corporal D came to

13 have hit their target: if they did so, the identity of

14 the casualty is unknown. Those are the 17 shots fired

15 at elevated targets.

16 According to the evidence of the soldiers, another

17 17 shots were fired by eight soldiers at nine targets at

18 ground level in this sector. It seems highly probable

19 (on their evidence) that all the shots fired over the

20 rubble barricade by Sergeant K, Private L and Private M

21 were aimed at one or other of two men, but it is not

22 entirely clear whether Sergeant K and Private L aimed at

23 the same man or different men or to which of the two men

24 at whom Private M fired their respective targets

25 correspond.


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1 The bullet recovered from the body of Michael Kelly

2 was matched to the rifle of Lance Corporal F. It

3 follows that unless Lance Corporal F fired more shots in

4 this sector than he has admitted the shot that killed

5 Mr Kelly must have been the shot Lance Corporal F fired,

6 on his evidence, at a man throwing a nail bomb from the

7 south side of the rubble barricade. If the Tribunal is

8 satisfied Mr Kelly was not a nail bomber, then

9 Lance Corporal F's evidence that he fired at a nail

10 bomber and that he hit his intended target must, in at

11 least one of those respects, be either mistaken or

12 untruthful, unless the bullet hit the nail bomber before

13 it hit Mr Kelly.

14 On the assumption that Lance Corporal J did not hit

15 either of his nail bombers, as he thought was the case,

16 and that Private U did not hit the man behind his

17 gunman, but that otherwise the soldiers hit the targets

18 at whom they say that they fired, and if

19 Lance Corporal F's nail bomber is disregarded on the

20 ground that this shot must have hit Mr Kelly, these

21 shots should have resulted in five gunmen and one nail

22 bomber being killed or injured.

23 Once again, however, there is no clear match between

24 any of the targets described by the soldiers and any of

25 the known casualties. In seeking to account for the


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1 seven known casualties in this sector, the Tribunal will

2 have to consider not only the shots acknowledged to have

3 been fired by soldiers at targets at ground level, but

4 also the possibility that one or more of the casualties

5 was attributable either to additional military gunfire

6 that has not been acknowledged, or to firing by

7 paramilitary gunmen.

8 Furthermore, if the Tribunal finds implausible

9 Private H's evidence to the Widgery Inquiry that he

10 fired 19 shots at a man who had fired a rifle from one

11 of the windows of 57 Glenfada Park, it will have to

12 consider whether some or all of those shots may have

13 been fired at Rossville Street, and if so, whether or

14 not they caused any deaths or injuries.

15 This analysis leaves out of account the following

16 additional shots of which the Tribunal has heard

17 evidence. Firstly, as I mentioned in connection with

18 the arrest of Joseph Lynn, Corporal 229 gave evidence

19 that Private L fired a shot in the derelict building

20 immediately north of Kells Walk prior to Mr Lynn's

21 arrest. While the Tribunal may reject Private L's

22 denial that he fired this shot and may find that it was

23 fired without justification, it is clear that the shot

24 did not cause any death or injury.

25 Private L, in his statement to the Inquiry, said


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1 that Corporal INQ1671 fired a shot from a position at

2 the north end of Rossville Street at a man trying to

3 pull a pistol or revolver out of his belt near the

4 junction of Pilot Row and Rossville Street and

5 apparently killed him instantly. Corporal INQ1671 is

6 now dead and there is no evidence from him before the

7 Tribunal. The absence of his name from the nominal roll

8 suggests that he was not even present on Bloody Sunday.

9 We suggest that no reliance can safely be placed on

10 Private L's account of the incident and it also

11 certainly did not happen.

12 I come then to Michael Kelly. In relation to

13 Mr Kelly, we refer the Tribunal to the report of

14 Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan, which records that the

15 bullet entered the left side of the abdomen on a track

16 slightly from left to right and downwards. The bullet

17 probably struck Mr Kelly with its nose pointing upwards

18 and to the right and the base pointing downwards, which

19 indicates that the bullet was unstable. So far as the

20 cause of instability is concerned, when he gave evidence

21 Dr Shepherd said that it was most likely that the bullet

22 had struck an object or person before it struck

23 Mr Kelly. It could have bounced off a hard object or

24 passed off a soft object such as part of a human body

25 but the "relatively pristine" state of the bullet showed


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1 it had not passed through a hard object and suggested

2 that any contact with such an object had been very

3 shallow.

4 Mr O'Callaghan in his evidence said that while no

5 damage to the bullet was apparent in the photograph that

6 shows it, it was not possible safely to draw from the

7 X-ray (which showed the bullet lodged in the sacrum) the

8 conclusion that the bullet was undamaged. If a bullet

9 had struck a hard object, it is likely that some damage

10 would have resulted, although not necessarily visible to

11 the naked eye if the contact was slight.

12 Dr Martin examined the bullet microscopically in

13 1972. He did not report that the bullet was damaged.

14 The Tribunal may think that he would at least have

15 reported any damage that he thought significant, but it

16 is not clear whether, for example, he would have

17 regarded the slight deformity as significant.

18 Professor Simpson told the Widgery Inquiry that he

19 did not think the bullet was a ricochet or that it had

20 struck bone before it entered into Kelly's body,

21 although his view appears to have been based on the

22 degree of enlargement of the entrance wound rather than

23 on the absence of damage to the bullet. He thought it

24 possible the bullet had been slightly deflected on

25 passing through soft tissue or clothing before it hit


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1 Mr Kelly.

2 It is obviously for the Tribunal to decide what

3 conclusions, if any, can be drawn from this evidence as

4 to the cause of the bullet's instability.

5 We then refer in our submissions to the evidence of

6 Dr Martin and Dr Lloyd regarding firearm discharge

7 residue and invite the Tribunal to conclude that the

8 results obtained by Dr Martin should not be relied upon

9 as any evidence that Mr Kelly or anyone close to him

10 when he was shot was handling or using a firearm.

11 From a comparison of the rifling marks on the bullet

12 recovered from the body of Mr Kelly with test bullets

13 fired from the rifle submitted to his department,

14 Dr Martin satisfied himself that the bullet that hit

15 Mr Kelly was fired from the rifle whose number is that

16 of Lance Corporal F. In his statement to the

17 Widgery Inquiry, Lance Corporal F said after he had

18 taken cover at the south end of Kells Walk he saw a man

19 who was attempting to throw a fizzing nail bomb from

20 behind the rubble barricade, fired one aimed shot at him

21 and he fell. The nail bomb did not explode.

22 Lance Corporal F did not see what happened to it. This

23 was the first shot that he fired and the only shot that

24 he fired at is a target at ground level in

25 Rossville Street.


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1 If the trajectory of this shot is accurately marked

2 on his photograph, P7, it was directed at the exact

3 location in which Mr Kelly can be seen lying on the

4 ground in the photograph taken after that had happened.

5 We suggest that in these circumstances, whether or

6 not Dr Martin's approach to the exercise of bullet

7 comparison could have been more rigorous, as

8 Mr Callaghan suggested in his oral evidence, there can

9 be no real doubt that Lance Corporal F fired the bullet

10 that killed Mr Kelly. Issues that remain are whether

11 the shot was aimed at Mr Kelly or at someone else,

12 whether the bullet hit anyone else before it hit

13 Mr Kelly, whether anyone standing near Mr Kelly had been

14 attempting to throw a nail bomb, and whether Mr Kelly or

15 anyone near him had been behaving in any way that caused

16 or could have caused Lance Corporal F to mistake him for

17 a nail bomber.

18 The only activity known to have occurred in the area

19 of the rubble barricade that would appear capable of

20 having induced in Lance Corporal F a mistaken belief

21 that the man at whom he fired was holding a nail bomb is

22 the throwing of stones. However, as the Lawton team

23 recognise in their submissions, Lance Corporal F's

24 evidence that the object that he saw in the man's hand

25 was fizzing tells against the hypothesis that he mistook


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1 a stone for a nail bomb. Nevertheless, it is in

2 principle possible, though it is for the Tribunal to

3 decide whether it is likely, that Lance Corporal F fired

4 in the mistaken belief that the man was holding a nail

5 bomb and either was mistaken also in his belief that the

6 object was fizzing or invented that detail after the

7 event in an attempt to make his account sound more

8 credible.

9 In these circumstances, although stone throwing

10 (where recognised as such) is not relied upon by the

11 soldiers as justification for opening fire, it is

12 relevant for the Tribunal to consider whether Mr Kelly

13 (or anyone standing close to him) was throwing stones

14 before he was shot. We refer in our submissions to the

15 relevant submissions of the interested parties to that

16 question and suggest that in particular it will be

17 necessary for the Tribunal to decide whether or not the

18 evidence of Danny Craig, and Patrick Norris, both of

19 whom said Mr Kelly was about to throw a stone when he

20 was shot, is reliable.

21 With regard to the possibility that an unidentified

22 person standing in front of Mr Kelly was also shot who

23 could have been the nail bomber at whom Lance Corporal F

24 said that he aimed and fired, we say this: insofar as

25 the Lawton team rely upon the evidence of civilian


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1 witnesses to establish that someone else was shot at the

2 same time as Mr Kelly, the Tribunal will have to

3 consider whether the evidence of those witnesses in fact

4 describes an additional casualty or whether it is more

5 likely, even if in some respects confused or mistaken,

6 to relate to one of the other known casualties or to

7 someone who had not been injured or even to Mr Kelly

8 himself.

9 Secondly, the hypothesis that there was an

10 additional casualty requires the Tribunal to consider

11 how such a casualty could have been removed or removed

12 himself from the scene and whether there is any

13 convincing evidence of a body other than that of

14 Mr Kelly being carried away through Glenfada Park North.

15 Thirdly, it is also necessary to consider how and

16 why the fact that someone else had been shot in the

17 presence of numerous witnesses and presumably unless the

18 injury was trivial, required either medical treatment or

19 burial, could have failed to come to light at an earlier

20 stage. While a desire not to reveal the activities of

21 nail bomber might provide a motive for some witnesses to

22 remain silent, those who saw the casualty would not

23 necessarily have known what he had ben doing before he

24 was shot; nor will the Tribunal lightly assume that all

25 witnesses, including priests and journalists, will have


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1 been prepared to conceal the truth.

2 Lastly, on the evidence of the experts, contact with

3 the soft tissue of another person's body before it hit

4 Mr Kelly is a possible cause of the bullet's

5 instability, but not the only possible cause. If the

6 Tribunal is not persuaded that the bullet killed or

7 injured anyone other than Mr Kelly, it may think that

8 the possibility that the bullet had been deflected on

9 contact with the outer clothing of another person before

10 it hit Mr Kelly deserves consideration.

11 I turn then to the case of Hugh Gilmore, who had two

12 wounds on his left forearm and wounds on the left and

13 right side of his chest. There are differing views held

14 on the one hand by Dr Carson, who considered Mr Gilmore

15 was struck which a single bullet passing from left to

16 the right, and on the other by Dr Shepherd and

17 Mr O'Callaghan, who considered that he was struck by two

18 bullets, one of which struck the right side of chest and

19 the other of which struck the left forearm. In their

20 view, the bullet that caused the chest wound must have

21 come from a point to the right of the chest, but due to

22 the flexibility of the forearm, there was no way of

23 indicating from where the shot caused the damage to

24 Mr Gilmore's arm originated.

25 It is unclear where Mr Gilmore was when he was hit.


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1 At the time of his death he was lying at the southern

2 gable of Block 1 of the flats, but he was probably shot

3 either at the rubble barricade or while running south in

4 front of Block 1. May we have on the screen P662. It

5 is the well-known photograph which shows him running

6 past Block 1, perhaps already having been shot, although

7 the photograph is in no way conclusive in that respect.

8 We then set out in our submissions at some length

9 the evidence of the principal witnesses to Mr Gilmore's

10 shooting. We suggest that the photographic sequence and

11 the related evidence of Robert White and Liam Mailey

12 suggest that he was shot shortly after Mr Kelly, at

13 a time when the Anti-Tank platoon had recently moved

14 into place at the Kells Walk wall. There is nothing in

15 the photograph to indicate that the other casualties at

16 the rubble barricade had necessarily fallen before

17 Mr Gilmore was fatally wounded.

18 In addition, no civilian witness has given clear

19 evidence of having seen the other casualties before

20 seeing Mr Gilmore shot. It is therefore likely, we

21 suggest, that Mr Gilmore was shot before, or at

22 approximately the same time as Michael McDaid,

23 William Nash and John Young. Several witnesses,

24 including Eamonn Melaugh, Frankie Mellon and Sean

25 McDermott, have indicated prior to seeing Mr Gilmore


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1 shot, they had become aware of a youth (presumably

2 Mr Dillon) being arrested on the wasteground which led

3 to a group of people surging north towards the arresting

4 group. If Mr Gilmore was in this group this might

5 explain references to his presence north of the rubble

6 barricade, for example in Geraldine Richmond's evidence

7 to the Widgery Inquiry.

8 Much of the contemporaneous civilian evidence, for

9 example that of Mr Melaugh, Mr Mellon, Mr McDermott and

10 James Greene, but not of Ms Richmond, suggest Mr Gilmore

11 was shot whilst standing at or near the rubble

12 barricade, possibly facing north. However, the same

13 witnesses, except Mr Green, have given evidence to this

14 Inquiry that Mr Gilmore was running south when shot. If

15 that is right, it is possible that he turned prior to

16 being hit. Mr Mellon told this Inquiry he had seen him

17 looking north over his shoulder at some points as he

18 ran. However, Mr Mellon and other similar witnesses

19 have implied in their evidence that at the time he was

20 hit Mr Gilmore was running in and facing a southerly

21 direction. Geraldine McBride said in terms to this

22 Inquiry this was so.

23 Most of the witnesses whom we have been considering

24 have said Mr Gilmore was at or south of the barricade

25 when he was struck. But Ms Richmond in 1972 and


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1 Mr Melaugh in his evidence to this Inquiry have said mor

2 implied Mr Gilmore was to the north of the barricade

3 when struck nor when first struck. The Tribunal will

4 have to consider which is the most reliable evidence as

5 to Mr Gilmore's position and movements when he was hit.

6 There is no evidence that he was armed. The

7 question whether he was throwing stones is clearly

8 related to the question of whether he was running south

9 or standing facing north. Although several civilian

10 witnesses said they had seen Mr Gilmore throwing stones

11 prior to his being shot, only Mr Green speculatively in

12 his oral evidence, contrary to his written statement,

13 has suggested Mr Gilmore had a stone in his hand when he

14 was shot. Other witnesses who have said Mr Gilmore was

15 standing at or near the rubble barricade when he was

16 shot, have agreed that he had nothing in his hand.

17 In our submissions we make some observations as to

18 the likelihood that particular soldiers were

19 responsible. We suggest the Tribunal may find it

20 difficult or impossible on the soldiers' evidence

21 satisfactorily to explain the shooting of Mr Gilmore,

22 all the more so if Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan's view

23 prevails, that two bullets hit the deceased.

24 However, if assumptions as to the accuracy of the

25 soldiers' evidence are discarded and the Tribunal either


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1 rejects the evidence of some of the soldiers as to the

2 direction and timing of admitted shots, or concludes

3 other shots have been fired in this sector that have not

4 been acknowledged, clearly other possibilities arise.

5 We suggest that the nature of Mr Gilmore's injuries

6 may assist in determining whether the fatal shot is more

7 likely to have been fired from the east or the west side

8 of Rossville Street, but only if the Tribunal is able to

9 decide both whether the bullet entered the left or the

10 right side of the chest and in which direction

11 Mr Gilmore was facing when it was fired.

12 I turn now to the cases of Michael McDaid,

13 William Nash and John Young, who were all shot dead at

14 or very close to the rubble barricade. Whilst there are

15 no photographs before the Tribunal which show the bodies

16 of any of these three casualties lying where they fell,

17 we say, and suggest that the man seen in the ABC film at

18 video 48 raising his arm behind the western section of

19 the rubble barricade is almost certainly Alexander Nash,

20 who said in his oral evidence to the Widgery Inquiry

21 that he saw his son William lying dead "just in the

22 middle of the wee barricade," ran out to him and put his

23 hand up before being shot himself. He saw two other

24 bodies as well. He said that the three bodies were

25 lying together with his son in the middle, within one or


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1 two feet of one another with their heads on stones and

2 their feet on the ground.

3 He confirmed that the other two bodies of those were

4 Mr McDaid and Mr Young. We suggest in combination with

5 the ABC footage, this suggests that all three casualties

6 fell somewhere behind the western section of the rubble

7 barricade.

8 In relation to the entry and exit wounds, the

9 reports of Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan are not,

10 I think, controversial. They find that a bullet struck

11 Mr McDaid in his left cheek and penetrated his neck and

12 right chest before exiting at the back.

13 A bullet struck Mr Nash on the right side of his

14 chest. The track of the bullet was downwards and from

15 front to back. Injuries to the right forehead, jaw,

16 neck and shin were consistent with minor blunt trauma,

17 due to a collision or fall.

18 Finally, a bullet struck Mr Young in the left cheek,

19 traversed the neck and exited through the back. The

20 path of the bullet, past the base of the skull and the

21 vertebrae of the neck and upper chest, suggesting

22 strongly that Mr Young's head was tipped backwards when

23 he was shot. Injuries to the cheeks, chin and hands

24 were consistent with a collapse or other causes of minor

25 blunt trauma.


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1 Again, in the evidence of Dr Martin and Dr Lloyd,

2 regarding firearm residue, we invite the Tribunal to

3 conclude the results obtained by Dr Martin should not be

4 relied upon as evidence that any of the three deceased,

5 or anyone close to them when they were shot, was

6 handling or using a firearm.

7 As to timing, there is evidence to show that

8 Mr McDaid, Mr Nash and Mr Young were shot after Mr Kelly

9 had been shot and his body carried towards the gable end

10 of the east block of Glenfada Park North. The Tribunal

11 will no doubt wish to consider the extent to which the

12 photographic evidence assists in establishing the

13 timings of the shootings of McDaid, Nash and Young in

14 relation to the movement of Mr Kelly's body.

15 May we have on the screen EP23.10, Liam Mailey's

16 photograph, of which this is one in the series. It

17 shows the crowd around Mr Kelly's body near the gable

18 end in Glenfada Park North. If we turn to EP23.11, the

19 body appears to lifted and moved after EP23.11 was taken

20 and before EP23.12 was taken.

21 If we go back, please, to EP23.11, Mr Mailey said

22 that the youths we can see on the right-hand side of the

23 photograph pointing to the east were trying to draw

24 attention to a hysterical youth. On his interpretation

25 Father Bradley was shown in EP23.12, going to comfort


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1 the youth (who was wearing coloured jeans, and is shown

2 slightly to the right of centre) and who was identified

3 by Denis McLaughlin as being himself.

4 But in his oral evidence Father Bradley said to the

5 Inquiry that he thought EP23.12, at which we are now

6 looking, shows him moving to the corner of the gable end

7 after he had been told that someone had been shot at the

8 rubble barricade. He believed he was called back to

9 assist the hysterical man after he had seen the bodies

10 at the barricade and that he moved between the two

11 positions on a number of occasions.

12 Professor O'Keefe also thought he had seen bodies on

13 the barricade by the time that EP23.12 was taken. The

14 movement of the group carrying Mr Kelly's body suggests

15 Ciaran Donnelly took EP27.11 shortly after Mr Mailey had

16 taken EP23.12. A question arises as to whether or not

17 the man seen in profile in this photograph, with his

18 back to the south gable wall of the east block of

19 Glenfada Park North, has been correctly identified as

20 Mr Nash. If so, it shows that he at least had still not

21 been shot by the time the body of Mr Kelly had been

22 carried around the southwest corner of the east block of

23 Glenfada North.

24 As is recognised in the submissions of the

25 interested parties, there is much confusion,


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1 understandably, in the civilian evidence as to the

2 movements of Mr McDaid, Mr Nash and Mr Young immediately

3 prior to the time when they were shot, as to their

4 position and orientation when they fell and as to the

5 sequence in which they fell. There is also conflicting

6 evidence as to whether any of them had been throwing

7 stones. The Tribunal will have, in our submission, to

8 consider to what extent it is possible to reach

9 conclusions about these matters.

10 We make, in our submission, some observations in

11 relation to the identity of the soldiers who could have

12 been responsible for shooting these casualties. We

13 suggest that the Tribunal may think that if the evidence

14 of the soldiers is assumed to be approximately accurate

15 as to the direction and timing of their fire and

16 complete as to the number of shots fired, the shots most

17 likely to have caused the deaths of Mr McDaid, Mr Nash

18 and Mr Young are the four shots fired by Corporal P at

19 an alleged gunman. The shot fired by Lance Corporal J

20 at his first alleged nail bomber is also a possibility.

21 However, as in the case of Mr Gilmore, if these

22 assumptions as to the accuracy of the soldiers' evidence

23 are discarded and the Tribunal either rejects the

24 evidence of some of the soldiers as to the direction and

25 timing of their admitted shots or concludes that other


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1 shots were fired in this sector, for example by

2 Lance Corporal F or Private H that have not been

3 acknowledged, then other possibilities will obviously

4 arise.

5 I turn then to the case of Alexander Nash.

6 Mr Bennett described Mr Nash's wound,

7 Mr Alexander Nash's wound as a through and through

8 gunshot wound to the left arm and "a graze (?? from

9 a rubber bullet) on the left side of his chest."

10 Mr Bennett said that the bullet passed from right to

11 left, adding that "as there is relatively little muscle

12 destruction this was probably a low rather than a high

13 velocity missile".

14 Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan said in their report

15 to this Inquiry that on the evidence available no

16 comment could be made concerning the nature of the

17 projectile that hit Mr Nash's arm. In the absence of

18 a more detailed description of the chest injury, they

19 were unable to comment on the suggestion that it had

20 been caused by a baton round, or on whether the injury

21 was caused by the same projectile as struck Mr Nash's

22 arm.

23 In our submissions we summarise the evidence of

24 Mr Nash to the Widgery Inquiry and that of a number of

25 other relevant witnesses and suggest that the evidence


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1 of Father O'Keefe, Father Bradley and others suggest

2 that Mr Nash ran to the rubble barricade very shortly

3 after his son had been shot, at a time when members of

4 the Anti-Tank Platoon would still have been at the walls

5 at the south end of Kells Walk.

6 As we have seen, the ABC film suggests that he was

7 behind the western section of the rubble barricade when

8 he was shot. There is no evidence that Mr Nash was

9 carrying a weapon or throwing stones when he was shot or

10 before that time.

11 In his RMP statement, Captain 021 said that he saw

12 an old man fall behind the rubble barricade after having

13 been struck by a baton round. When the shooting stopped

14 the old man rose to a sitting position and waved to the

15 soldiers to come forward to him. Eventually they did

16 so, and a Pig stopped just beyond the barricade. The

17 old man went off in the direction of the Glenfada Flats.

18 In a statement that he apparently made to the

19 Widgery Inquiry, although he expressed reservations

20 about this in his statement to this Inquiry, Captain 021

21 said that the baton round was one of a number fired by

22 soldiers on the west side of Rossville Street, and that

23 it hit the old man on the cheek and was deflected on to

24 his shoulder.

25 The old man was wearing a grey peaked cap and grey


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1 jacket. In his statement to this Inquiry, Captain 021

2 said that he did not now remember the old man. Although

3 there is no evidence that Mr Nash was hit in the cheek

4 or shoulder, the Tribunal may think there is

5 a sufficient correlation between Captain 021's evidence

6 and the known facts concerning Mr Nash, to suggest it is

7 highly probable that he was hit by a baton round.

8 If so, it appears likely that the baton round caused

9 the injury to the left side of the chest, as suggested

10 by Mr Bennett. If the Tribunal also finds reliable

11 Captain 021's evidence that the baton round was fired

12 from the west side of Rossville Street, this would

13 suggest, on our analysis, that the evidence of the

14 soldiers who fired baton rounds towards the barricade,

15 that it was probably fired by either Private 17 or Lance

16 Corporal 18.

17 The question arises whether a soldier or

18 a paramilitary gunman fired the shot that hit Mr Nash in

19 the left arm. As to the former possibility, we point

20 out that none of the descriptions given by the soldiers

21 of the targets at whom they fired matches Mr Nash. And

22 we say that if a soldier shot Mr Nash it is unlikely

23 that the Tribunal will be able to identify him. The

24 four shots fired, on his evidence, by Corporal P at an

25 alleged gunman and the shots fired, on his evidence, by


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1 Lance Corporal J at an alleged nail bomber are the only

2 shots, other than the shots fired by Lance Corporal F

3 that appear to have killed Mr Kelly, that on the

4 soldiers' evidence, were fired at targets in the

5 approximate position in which Mr Nash is likely to have

6 been located.

7 However, as in the previous cases, if assumptions as

8 to the accuracy and completeness of the soldiers'

9 evidence are discarded, it is possible that other

10 soldiers could have fired the shot that hit Mr Nash.

11 The possibility that a paramilitary gunman may have

12 shot Mr Nash arises principally from the evidence of

13 Private U and Kieran Gill. In summary, the evidence of

14 Private U was that at some point, having fired his shot,

15 he saw on older man who was assisting a youth lying

16 wounded on the rubble barricade. The youth appeared to

17 be alive, but had a bloodstain on his shirt. Private U

18 then either saw the doors of the southwestern entrance

19 to the Rossville Flats open, or he saw an arm holding a

20 pistol emerge from doors that were already open. He did

21 not fire as he could not be sure that he would not hit

22 people who were to the south of the doors. Instead he

23 warned his colleagues on the western side of

24 Rossville Street of the potential danger. He saw the

25 pistol jerk, and thought that a bullet from it struck


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1 the ground between the doors of the flat and the men on

2 the barricade, and then ricocheted into the older man's

3 right arm. The man with the pistol fired another shot.

4 Private U saw the youth's head jerk, and he then slumped

5 into the older man's arms. He did not move again. The

6 old man then called on Private U to assist him. Private

7 U sought permission from CSM Lewis, who told him that he

8 was waiting for a vehicle. The old man then stood up

9 and moved off. Private U told the Royal Military Police

10 that he later saw a television interview with the older

11 man in which he said the Army had injured him and killed

12 his son.

13 We refer also to the evidence of Mr Gill, who became

14 involved with the Insight team as a local stringer as

15 they worked on their article on Bloody Sunday. He gave

16 evidence that in the course of this work he and

17 Peter Pringle developed a theory about Mr Nash being

18 shot by a low velocity weapon. Mr Gill received

19 information from a Provisional IRA source that a member

20 of the Official IRA had fired a revolver on

21 Bloody Sunday. According to him, he and Mr Pringle

22 door-stepped the Official IRA volunteer at his home,

23 probably during the period in which the Widgery Inquiry

24 was sitting.

25 Mr Gill said something like "so you shot Mr Nash!"


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1 The man looked horrified and admitted that he had fired

2 three or four shots with a revolver around a door of the

3 flats. Mr Gill and Mr Pringle said to him that he might

4 have shot Mr Nash in the arm. The Tribunal will note

5 that on Mr Gill's account the suggestion that the

6 Official IRA volunteer had shot Mr Nash came from

7 Mr Gill and the Official IRA volunteer made no admission

8 to that effect.

9 We respectfully remind the Tribunal that Mr Gill

10 said in a supplementary statement that he approached the

11 Official IRA volunteer on 1st May 2002. The man said he

12 had no recollection of the conversation described by

13 Mr Gill in his first statement and denied he had fired

14 a revolver from the door of the flats on Bloody Sunday.

15 We also observe it is clear that Mr Pringle knew of

16 the theory that Mr Nash had been shot by a paramilitary

17 gunman but not that he knew of it from a source other

18 than the evidence given to the Widgery Inquiry, and we

19 refer to his evidence in support of that proposition.

20 When Mr Pringle gave oral evidence, Mr Gill had not

21 yet made his first witness statement, and so Mr Gill's

22 account was not put to Mr Pringle. However, in written

23 comments provided to the Inquiry in May 2003, Mr Pringle

24 said that he had "no recollection of the incident

25 Mr Gill relates" and could find no reference in his


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1 notebooks to "such a meeting with the Provisionals or

2 the Officials."

3 The Tribunal will also recall that OIRA 1 said in

4 his oral evidence to this Inquiry that he was the man

5 whom Mr Gill had approached about this matter in 2002,

6 but he denied Mr Gill had spoken to him in 1972, to

7 suggest that he had fired a shot from the doorway that

8 may have struck Mr Nash. He also denied he had been

9 involved in any such incident. His evidence was that

10 throughout the main incidents of Bloody Sunday, he was

11 in areas to the west of Rossville Street.

12 If his evidence, which in this respect is consistent

13 with the disputed note, PIN437, is accurate, he would

14 not have been in or near the Rossville Flats when

15 Mr Nash was shot. It is for the Tribunal to consider

16 how this conflict of evidence is to be resolved, if it

17 can be, and to determine, if it can, whether Mr Nash was

18 shot by a soldier or by a paramilitary gunman.

19 I come then to the case of Kevin McElhinney.

20 According to the report of Mr Shepherd and

21 Dr O'Callaghan, in his case the bullet entered the left

22 buttock, on a track from right to left and upwards, was

23 deflected by the pelvis onto a nearly vertical track.

24 It then exited and re-entered the body on the left side

25 of the chest and finally exited beneath the left


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1 shoulder. This track could have been achieved if Mr

2 McElhinney had been bending over on all four and the

3 shot was direct from behind and to his right. Professor

4 Marshal differed from Dr Shepherd and Mr O'Callaghan

5 over the behaviour of the bullet once it entered the

6 body, but the resolution of that issue will not assist

7 in determining who shot Mr McElhinney.

8 We refer in our submissions to the evidence of

9 Dr Martin and Dr Lloyd with regard to firearm residues

10 and in this case, as in others, invite the Tribunal to

11 conclude the results obtained cannot be relied upon as

12 evidence that Mr McElhinney, or anyone close to him when

13 he was shot, was handling or using a firearm.

14 There was evidence from Daniel (Alex) Morrison, who

15 said that he and Mr McElhinney had been throwing stones

16 from the rubble barricade. However, we observe that

17 there is a considerable amount of evidence to suggest

18 that Mr McElhinney was fatally wounded while crawling

19 towards the southwestern door of Block 1 of the

20 Rossville Flats, and if that is so, the question whether

21 or not he had previously been throwing stones at the

22 barricade appears irrelevant to the question whether or

23 not there is any justification for his shooting since no

24 possibility could have arisen of a stone in his hand at

25 the time of the shooting being mistaken for a lethal


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1 weapon.

2 May we have on the screen P673.3. So far as

3 photographic evidence is concerned, Mr McElhinney is

4 said to be the figure shown standing on the eastern

5 section of the rubble barricade in P673.3, of which

6 there is a better version elsewhere. This

7 identification is open to doubt. Mr McElhinney was

8 wearing a brown striped suit and the individual standing

9 on the barricade in this photograph appears to have been

10 wearing trousers that were darker than his jacket.

11 May we have on the screen EP27.11. It is also

12 suggested Mr McElhinney is the figure shown crouching or

13 kneeling in the background in the extreme right-hand

14 edge of EP27.11. If correct, this might have

15 implications for the time of his shooting, but there is

16 no evidence to confirm the identification and the

17 Tribunal might think the image is insufficiently clear

18 for any certain identification to be possible.

19 We refer in our submission to the evidence of some

20 of the principal witnesses who described a man who was

21 or may have been Mr McElhinney crawling or running

22 towards the doors of Block 1, or falling or being

23 dragged into the entrance into Block 1 after being shot.

24 We have a number of observations in relation to that

25 evidence. There are issues as to whether the man


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1 described in the evidence of civilian witnesses has been

2 correctly identified as Mr McElhinney and they are

3 discussed extensively in the submissions of the

4 interested parties.

5 Subject to issues as to identification, there is

6 a general consensus among the civilian witnesses that

7 Mr McElhinney was shot as he approached the southern

8 entrance to Block 1 of the flats. It appears probable

9 he had come from the rubble barricade and that he

10 crawled for at least part of the distance. All the

11 witnesses who saw him as he crawled to the door of the

12 flats have said that he was unarmed. No civilian

13 witness has said that he was carrying anything at the

14 moment when he was shot.

15 Some of the witnesses refer to seeing a body being

16 dragged into the flats, whereas others describe a youth

17 falling or crashing through the doors. Some witnesses

18 saw only one person moving from the barricade to the

19 flats, whereas others saw two. Gerard Grieve, Patrick

20 O'Hagan and Liam Mailey have all given evidence at some

21 stage that up to five people had run into the flats

22 before the person who was shot.

23 There are some discussions Mr McElhinney was shot

24 twice. Professor O'Keefe and Barry Liddy both thought

25 that when they saw the youth crawling towards the flats


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1 he was already injured in his leg. Helen Johnston saw

2 the youth jerk twice, once when equidistant between the

3 barricade and the doorway, and the second time when at

4 the entrance to the flats. Clifford Peter Lancaster

5 also saw the youth jerk twice. If he jerked, it does

6 not necessarily follow that he had been shot.

7 We suggest there is no evidence that indicates

8 anyone other than a soldier shot Mr McElhinney. As to

9 the identity of the soldiers who could have been

10 responsible for shooting him, three soldiers of the

11 Composite Platoon have given evidence that they fired

12 from Kells Walk at one or other of two men who were

13 crawling in front of Block 1 of the flats towards the

14 doors at the southwest corner of that block.

15 Sergeant K fired one shot, private L, according to

16 the evidence he gave in 1972, fired two, and Private M

17 fired two shots. It appears reasonable to conclude that

18 these three soldiers were describing the same two men.

19 These are the only shots described by the soldiers

20 that could (on their evidence) account for a man being

21 hit on the eastern pavement of Rossville Street as he

22 approached the entrance to Block 1 of the flats from the

23 north.

24 They are the only shots described by the soldiers

25 that could (on their evidence) account for a man being


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1 hit from behind or when crawling.

2 The broad possibilities therefore for the Tribunal

3 to consider are firstly that one of Sergeant K,

4 Private L and Private M fired the shot that hit

5 Mr McElhinney and that he was one of the two crawling

6 men described by them. Despite their evidence that one

7 or both of the crawling men was handling a weapon.

8 Secondly, one of Sergeant K, Private L and Private M

9 fired the shot that hit Mr McElhinney, but that he was

10 not one of the two crawling men described by them,

11 despite their evidence that they did not hit anyone

12 other than the two crawling men.

13 Thirdly, that none of the shots fired by Sergeant K,

14 Private L and Private M hit Mr McElhinney, despite the

15 absence of other military evidence that could account

16 for his shooting.

17 We consider in our submissions the evidence of the

18 soldiers of the Composite Platoon as to the clothing

19 worn by the two crawling men but suggest there is

20 insufficient consistency and clarity in the evidence to

21 enable the Tribunal to determine with any confidence

22 which, if either, of these men, was Mr McElhinney.

23 Finally, we summarise the evidence of Sergeant K,

24 Private L and Private M as to which of the three hit his

25 intended target or targets. Should the Tribunal


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1 determine it is likely that one of those three shot

2 Mr McElhinney, it will have also to consider whether

3 that evidence enables it to reach any conclusion as to

4 which of the three soldiers is most likely to have fired

5 the fatal shot.

6 That brings me to Sector 4. The Tribunal is faced

7 with an acute difficulty in dealing with the events of

8 Glenfada North and Abbey Park. The difficulty is the

9 familiar one, that evidence of the soldiers concerned

10 scarcely connects with that of the civilians on the

11 critical question as to how it came about that four

12 people were killed and five wounded -- assuming that

13 Danny Gillespie was wounded -- in those two places.

14 The accounts given by those who fired in

15 Glenfada Park are that they were met by gunmen and nail

16 bombers and a petrol bomber and in the case of Soldier

17 H, a sniper at a window. On their evidence the soldiers

18 fired at these paramilitaries and were justified in

19 doing so; some of the evidence is of a full-scale riot.

20 The evidence of a substantial number of civilians is

21 that there was panic and pandemonium as the soldiers

22 came in and, indeed, before (since firing had been

23 taking place in Rossville Street) people were being

24 killed and Michael Kelly's body was brought in from the

25 barricade. But no civilian gives evidence of someone


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1 throwing or making to throw a bomb, whether petrol or

2 nail, or holding a rifle in the vicinity of those who

3 were killed and wounded.

4 I am told it might be appropriate to have a break.

5 LORD SAVILLE: How much longer do you want to go on this

6 afternoon, how is your progress generally?

7 MR CLARKE: I would like to go on for another 20 minutes.

8 (3.35 pm)

9 (A short break)

10 (3.45 pm)

11 MR CLARKE: The effect of what I have just been saying is

12 that it is not possible to take a body of civilian

13 evidence and a body of military evidence and conclude

14 that they are referring, however imperfectly, to the

15 same incident. G, for instance, claims to have fired

16 three shots at riflemen in the southwest corner and shot

17 at least one of them. Several people were shot in the

18 southwest corner, but no civilian says that there was

19 a rifleman there at the time when the shooting took

20 place.

21 It is possible, of course, to say that G is

22 a candidate for the soldier who shot one or more of

23 those who died or who were wounded in that corner, but

24 beyond that, it is not easy to go.

25 Quite apart from the incongruence between the


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1 accounts of what occurred, there is a problem which

2 I indicated in opening and which remains in relation to

3 the number of shots. 29 shots were fired, on their

4 account, by members of the Anti-Tank Platoon in

5 Glenfada Park; 22 of those were fired by H; 19 at

6 a window, on his account to Lord Widgery, at the south

7 of Glenfada Park.

8 If the Tribunal were to reject his evidence as to 18

9 of the 19 shots in the sense that it were to conclude,

10 either that they were not fired in Glenfada Park at all,

11 or not in the manner in which he described, there are 18

12 shots wholly unaccounted for, either by H or by anyone

13 else. It is not even certain that these 18 shots must

14 have been fired by H.

15 If, of course, the Tribunal accepts that these

16 bullets were fired in Glenfada Park North, the position

17 is different. If one omits the 19 shots, one of which

18 went into a window at number 57 on H's account, there

19 are ten shots left. These have to accommodate the

20 deaths of four people in the open air and the wounding

21 of five or four in Glenfada Park or Abbey Park. This is

22 numerically possible, but on the evidence of the firers,

23 they claimed no more than six hits in the open air.

24 May we please have on the screen CS6.273. This is

25 a version of a table that I prepared in opening and


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1 appears also cited in the Lawton team's submissions, by

2 reference to what I said.

3 One will see from it that there are 29 shots, but

4 the number of hits claimed is seven. But one of those,

5 on H's evidence, would be a shot of a man behind the

6 window. We know that one bullet went into the bedroom

7 at number 57. As I say, there are nine victims in the

8 open air but there are only six claimed hits in the open

9 air, making a shortfall of at least three.

10 It is, of course, possible the same bullet killed

11 William McKinney and wounded Joseph Mahon. It is

12 possible that Danny Gillespie was wounded by a bullet

13 that hit somebody else, or not wounded at all. It is

14 possible that the same bullet hit Joseph Friel and

15 Michael Quinn, although the Tribunal may think that is

16 somewhat implausible. But the bullet that hit

17 Mr O'Donnell on the east side could not have hit any of

18 the other known dead and wounded.

19 So it would be just possible in this way to make up

20 the numbers so as to reach a figure of nine hits. The

21 difficulty with such a calculation is that the

22 arithmetic assumes that each hit strikes not only

23 a different primary victim, but also in three cases

24 a secondary victim, unless Gillespie was not wounded at

25 all.


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1 But Jim Wray was, without doubt, shot twice. This

2 might be solved if Gillespie was not a victim at all and

3 there was a different shoot-through, for instance, if

4 Gerard McKinney and Gerard Donaghy were shot by the same

5 bullet. But the Tribunal may think that this series of

6 shoot-throughs or two people being shot by the same

7 bullet becomes increasingly implausible.

8 Soldier G raised the possibility that a bullet went

9 through one person and into another in relation to the

10 two gunmen whom he saw in the southwest corner.

11 Soldier F accepted, in his evidence to this Inquiry,

12 that one of his rounds may have hit Joe Mahon and

13 William McKinney. However, none of the soldiers have

14 stated they saw any civilian (other than the target at

15 which they fired) react as if they had been hit and

16 there is much in their contemporary evidence that is

17 inconsistent with this premise.

18 Soldiers E and G both explicitly stated there was no

19 civilian other than their target in their line of sight.

20 Soldier F told Lord Widgery that there were only three

21 people, the group on which he and Soldier G fired, in

22 the car park when he arrived, and between the time when

23 he fired and the arrests that he made he only saw some

24 ambulance people in the courtyard.

25 Soldier H's evidence leaves the possibility of


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1 a shoot-through casualty more open, except in relation

2 to his first shot which, on his Widgery account, went

3 into a wall. He has not however given evidence that

4 indicated that he saw someone (other than his intended

5 target) hit by his shots.

6 Even with such double-counting and shots hitting

7 more than one person, there is a problem. It is now

8 clear that Gerard Donaghy and Gerard McKinney were shot

9 in Abbey Park, the Tribunal may think. That required at

10 least one, if not two, bullets.

11 One, the bullet that landed in Gerard Donaghy's hip,

12 came from G. If two were fired it seems highly likely

13 that G may have fired the second. If so, either his

14 account of firing three bullets in all in Glenfada Park

15 is wrong because he only fired one or, at the highest,

16 two if he only fired one in Abbey Park, or he fired more

17 bullets than he accounted for.

18 Further, there is considerable evidence of a further

19 shot being fired in Abbey Park towards Evelyn Lafferty

20 (Evelyn Mahon as she became). If that is so the

21 position on the arithmetic is made worse. If there were

22 additional casualties in Glenfada Park, the situation

23 becomes worse still. As the Tribunal will find, if it

24 comes to tabulate the hits and attempts to allocate them

25 to known victims and any unknown ones, the numbers do


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1 not appear to work.

2 The next problem is that the evidence of the

3 soldiers does not readily appear to accommodate the

4 known dead and wounded. Mr O'Donnell was shot on the

5 east side in circumstances where the only person who

6 said that he fired on that said was E, on whose account

7 no-one in Mr O'Donnell's position was shot. Those who

8 were shot in the southwest: Mr Wray, Mr Quinn, Mr Friel,

9 possibly Mr Gillespie, or the south: Mr Mahon and

10 William McKinney could have been shot by any of F, G and

11 H, in the sense that their evidence was of firing in

12 those directions, but it may not be possible to say who

13 shot whom.

14 Then there is what may appear to the Tribunal

15 a remarkable circumstance, that all those persons

16 identified as being shot dead or wounded, have not been

17 suggested to have been themselves engaged in unlawful

18 activities, and yet in each of these nine or eight

19 cases, the soldiers who came into Glenfada Park and

20 Abbey Park appear to have missed their intended target,

21 despite the short distances over which their shots must

22 have travelled. Indeed, the soldiers appear to have

23 missed all their actual targets unless there are unknown

24 casualties who have never come to light. But if there

25 were unknown casualties, the problem with the bullet


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1 count increases proportionately.

2 Lastly, there is the problem of the entry point of

3 the bullets. Leaving aside Mr Gillespie, those hit in

4 the southwest of Glenfada Park North were either hit in

5 the back (in the case of Jim Wray and William McKinney);

6 in the right hip (Joe Mahon); the right cheek,

7 (Michael Quinn); or across the chest from right to left

8 (in the case of Joe Friel).

9 The wounds of Mr Friel and Mr Quinn are consistent

10 with them having been shot from behind and to the right,

11 but none of these are positions that tally readily with

12 the description of the positioning of those at whom the

13 soldiers fired. This is of course another way of saying

14 that if the soldiers' targets were as described, they

15 appear to have missed them with the shots in question.

16 The Tribunal was invited to find, by the Lawton

17 team, that it is simply not in a position to form firm

18 conclusions as to the exact events which occurred, but

19 that there is cogent evidence that there were

20 individuals in Glenfada Park North who were armed with

21 rifles and nail bombs who were reasonably perceived as

22 a threat and who were probably close to those who were

23 injured or killed, and that there were additional

24 casualties to the known dead and wounded.

25 The extent to which the latter is or may be the case


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1 is considered in a section of our submissions which is

2 entitled: "Report on Paramilitary Activities in Sector

3 4." To the extent of course that the Tribunal finds the

4 evidence so confusing that it cannot form any firm

5 conclusion, it should, and will no doubt, say so. In the

6 light of the considerations that I have mentioned, the

7 Tribunal may think it appropriate to ask itself

8 initially two questions.

9 Firstly, to what extent can we rely upon the

10 testimony of the soldiers in this sector? Secondly, to

11 what extent are we persuaded that there was any relevant

12 paramilitary activity going on at the time when the

13 Paras came in?

14 These are of course broad questions which have no

15 doubt to be answered by looking at specific issues and

16 specific evidence. Even if, for instance, the Tribunal

17 was of the opinion that a full and truthful account had

18 not been given by all of the soldiers of what had

19 occurred, it would not necessarily follow that all of

20 their evidence was to be rejected.

21 As to the first question, the Tribunal might take

22 the view that the matters to which I referred, together

23 with the discrepancies in the statements of the

24 soldiers -- both as between themselves and other

25 soldiers and as between earlier and later statements of


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1 the same individual -- the lies (if it were to find them

2 to be such, that may have been told by any of the

3 soldiers) are of such significance that it could

4 conclude that a positively untruthful account has been

5 given by the soldiers concerned, or some of them, and

6 that this has been so because the true facts are that

7 there was shooting without justification, which not

8 merely bordered on the reckless but crossed that border.

9 Or it might take the view that the inconsistencies in

10 the soldiers' evidence, the want of explanation, the

11 incongruence of the civilian military accounts and the

12 factors to which I have referred, are explicable by the

13 pandemonium, noise and confusion arising in the very

14 short period of time within which the relevant shootings

15 occurred.

16 As to the second question, if the Tribunal is

17 persuaded that there was a level of paramilitary

18 activity as described by the soldiers and in the

19 evidence upon which they rely, it would follow that the

20 picture that the Tribunal has been given on the civilian

21 evidence, taken as a whole, of events in

22 Glenfada Park North is misleading. Such a conclusion

23 would of course potentially alter (in a radical way) the

24 view that the Tribunal takes of events in that sector.

25 For if there were in fact -- as the tenor of the


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1 soldiers' evidence is -- riflemen and nail bombers, or

2 what seemed to be such, it would be natural for the

3 soldiers to engage with them and, indeed, they would in

4 effect pose the question: why else should they have

5 fired.

6 In our submissions we have compiled individual

7 reports on the individual shootings in an attempt made

8 with a view to assisting the Tribunal to indicate who

9 are the likely or possible candidates responsible for

10 shooting the individuals concerned. It has, however, to

11 be said at once that the exercise may be one of only

12 limited value because there are so few common points in

13 the evidence of the civilians and the soldiers. In many

14 cases little more can be done than to identify aspects

15 of the soldiers' evidence which make a particular

16 soldier a more or less likely candidate than another,

17 for example, because the place where the victim fell and

18 to which the firer said that he shot are similar, or

19 because of the place at which the firer said that he was

20 when he shot, or because of the order in which events

21 appear to have taken place.

22 If, however, there has been a fundamental failure by

23 the soldiers to explain what occurred, the exercise may

24 be futile. To take one example, if 18 shots were wholly

25 unaccounted for but were shot in Glenfada Park North,


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1 these could themselves be referable to all the deaths

2 and woundings and it would be useless to attempt to

3 relate those deaths and woundings to any other. Even if

4 those are left out of consideration, if the account

5 given by the soldiers of what they did is fundamentally

6 flawed, there may be little to be gained by trying to

7 see what characteristics relating to those who died or

8 were wounded, such as where they fell or at what time in

9 the passage of events they fell, bear some relationship

10 to the account given when that account is ex hypothesi

11 inaccurate.

12 In each of the individual reports compiled we

13 indicate that if the Tribunal takes the view that there

14 was paramilitary activity broadly as described by the

15 soldiers, this will obviously affect the conclusion that

16 the Tribunal may reach or not be able to reach. It is

17 not possible to be much more definitive than that in

18 a submission such as this because the significance of

19 such activity, if any, will depend on what exactly it is

20 that the Tribunal is persuaded occurred.

21 Sir, I wonder if that would be a convenient moment

22 to break.

23 LORD SAVILLE: We will come back to it at 9.30 tomorrow

24 morning, please.

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