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Stephen Timms MP

All Party Group on Telecommunications

Stephen Timms MP

House of Commons, London


Monday, December 1, 2003


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You have kindly invited me to talk to you today about off-shoring. This is an issue that is making headlines in the UK and other countries, with announcements of planned moves to relocate work abroad, particularly plans to move call centres to places such as India and China.

The resulting job losses in the UK have raised a number of justifiable concerns, particularly from the very people who are losing them. Much emphasis was placed on this by the Secretary of State, Patricia Hewitt, at the recent CBI Conference.

And of course the Government very much shares the concerns from those immediately affected by plans to offshore services work. We take the local employment effects very seriously.

But we need to put all this into perspective. What you see in the media is not the whole story. Nothing is written there about the number of jobs created by companies choosing to locate in the UK. Or the number of companies that look at outsourcing and choose to stay. The UK is the second largest global recipient of Foreign Direct Investment behind the US. In the year 2002 to 2003 alone, inward investment created over 34,000 new jobs in the UK.

We read about 4,000 back-office jobs being relocated to the Far East by HSBC, but not the 1 million people employed in the UK financial services sector.

We read about call centres being moved abroad, but we have 5,500 call centres in the UK employing around 400,000 workers. The UK's strong IT and telecommunications infrastructure is probably the reason why companies like Arvato, Vertex and ING are choosing to expand their customer service centre operations in the UK.

The service sector is one of the UK's strengths - there are over 2 million more service sector jobs now than in 1997, helping to ensure we have one of the highest employment rates in Europe. But to remain competitive, companies are forever looking at ways of reducing their costs. This is one reason why companies look carefully at their location decisions and may consider locating some of their activities abroad - although the recent survey by the CBI indicated that less than half of UK companies have even considered off-shoring, and even fewer have actually undertaken any off-shoring.

Companies' decisions about where to locate - as many of you will be aware - are very complex. Cost factors are not the only consideration. Falling communication costs, coupled with the spread of technology across developing countries, has made it easier for some service sector activities to be provided across long distances and international borders. But the vast majority of service sector activities cannot be undertaken abroad because they are produced and consumed locally; activities such as haircuts or restaurant meals require that suppliers and consumers need to meet face to face.

Plus some companies - like Dell - that have tried outsourcing have found that it doesn't work for them, and have taken operations back to their home countries. Others believe that a local presence in the market, in which they are in contact with their customers, is more valuable to them than the immediate cost savings from relocating work.

It is worth noting that off-shoring is affecting countries like the US and UK more than others. This may be due to the advanced nature of our service sectors and the more highly developed competitive climate in which services are provided. It may be due to language, and the fact that English is a more internationally used language, so services such as call centres are more susceptible to offshoring than other services and other countries. Where job losses do occur, we must do everything we can to help people find new jobs and, if necessary, new skills as quickly as possible, calling on the services of Job Centre Plus, and their Rapid Response Service.

We are just beginning to understand all this and weighing up its implications. And in order to do this, we need to speak to those involved on all sides, to draw on their varying perspectives and knowledge. We are planning to hold an internal seminar soon to brainstorm the issue, to which we will be inviting the CBI, unions and others to help us collectively understand the issues, consequences and potential policy responses. And we are planning to publish a paper very shortly which will discuss the economic issues surrounding off-shoring, which will identify a number of key areas for further research - including improving our understanding of which areas and groups will be most affected, and how best to equip the UK economy to respond to the challenges.

Protectionism is clearly not the right response. UK exports are worth £270 billion a year - including £86 billion of service exports - and many jobs depend upon open markets abroad. Given its leading position as a global exporter of services, we need to keep pressing for further opening up of markets for our exports. We cannot therefore at the same time adopt a protectionist response to off-shoring at home.

Moreover, as a Government we are committed to the development of the poorer nations in this world, which is why we have strongly pushed for reform of inequitable world trading arrangements. We cannot now sanction a protectionist approach that would only harm these developing economies - as well as the UK.

Nor indeed could we stop companies from outsourcing. This is a commercial decision, and companies will relocate whatever action we might be minded to take consistent with our EU and international obligations.

Instead, we need to enable and encourage firms in the UK to invest in new technology, workforce skills and to move into advanced, high value activities. We need to continue to make the UK an attractive place to invest and do business.


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